Posted: 9:34 am Monday, January 27th, 2014

‘Hand-to-hand combat’ over Lorenzo Carter 

By Michael Carvell

Lorenzo Carter's parents were surrounded by Florida and FSU coaches at a Norcross basketball game. Mother Lisa (yellow shirt) sat next to FSU's Charles Kelly while father Leo (arms folded) was next to Florida's Joker Phillips (Hyosub Shin/AJC)

Lorenzo Carter’s parents were surrounded by Florida and FSU coaches at a Norcross basketball game. Mother Lisa (yellow shirt) sat next to FSU’s Charles Kelly while father Leo (arms folded) was next to Florida’s Joker Phillips and DJ Durkin (Hyosub Shin/AJC)

It looked like a scene straight out of a Hollywood movie at Norcross High School’s basketball game last week.

Lorenzo Carter, the state’s No. 1 overall football prospect, also plays basketball for Norcross.

His parents sat in the bleachers surrounded by at least six assistants from Florida and Florida State.

It’s what veteran recruiters call “hand-to-hand combat” – neither college backing down an inch while in a fierce battle for an elite recruit.

New Florida State defensive coordinator Charles Kelly sat next to Carter’s mother. Only a few feet away, Florida assistant Joker Phillips was strategically sitting next to Carter’s father.

Because there was such a small crowd for the road game at Mountain View High School, it was hard not to notice. It looked a little bit awkward from afar seeing all the rival coaches with different-colored shirts around Carter’s parents but it didn’t appear to be confrontational situation.

Also sitting nearby were Florida defensive coordinator DJ Durkin, and FSU defensive line coach Sal Sunseri.

It was just another competitive day in the wacky world of recruiting.

“That was pretty funny; It was a little awkward at first, but then you just relax,” Carter’s mother, Lisa, told the AJC. “They’re people, we’re people, and you just have normal conversation. It will all work out how it supposed to in the end. But they are good people at Florida and Florida State. Both sides have great coaches. I enjoy talking to both of them. They have funny stories.”

What on Earth did Florida and FSU talk about for two hours while being seated within three feet of each other?

“I met with Florida the other day, and our meeting kind of ran a little long. And they were late trying to get to the airport. I asked them if they made it on time. And talking with Florida State, they have a chaplain who is a very nice guy. We asked about him because my husband is a minister.”

Lorenzo’s father, Leo Carter, smiled when asked about the environment: “All these guys, we’ve talked to them all before. It’s no surprise. They know each other anyways. Everybody is cool.”

And what did they talk about? “When I’m watching basketball, I’m watching basketball. We talked about basketball.” (Note: Carter’s father played basketball at LeMoyne-Owen, while his mother played volleyball at Jackson State).

After the game, Carter walked up to the coaches and thanked them for making the trip. Both FSU and Florida took advantage of the opportunity to give a sales pitch for their schools — fearlessly right in front of each other. Carter listened intently for about 10 minutes, and then was rescued by a Norcross assistant who yelled “Your teammates are freezing from the cold on the bus.”

Carter took an official visit this past weekend to Florida State. He has an in-home visit with UGA’s Mark Richt on Monday, and Florida’s Will Muschamp on Thursday. He will take his final recruiting trip to UGA on Friday. Carter is also considering LSU.

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112 comments
HotDawg
HotDawg

Go Dawgs!

Congrats L.C.

HotDawg
HotDawg

Funnier to see this picture now, knowing L.C. is officially a Georgia Bulldog.

The parents faces, in the picture, look as if the other coaches had no chance. Might as well go back to florida.

TideDawg
TideDawg

I wonder what it would be like if the NCAA stopped all recruiting and let the players decide where to go to college without all of the fanfare surrounding recruiting. Wouldn't it be interesting if a high school player decided where to go without any help.

BMOC_
BMOC_

HAS ANYONE ON THIS BLOG EVEN SEEN LORENZO CARTER PLAY FOOTBALL???  i HAVE AND IT WAS VERY, VERY PITIFUL.  HOPE HE GOES SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN UGA.

THIS KID WILL BE A BACK-UP AT BEST.  THEN HE'LL PROBABLY TRANSFER.

DapperDanDawg
DapperDanDawg

Justin Houston, AJ Green, Tim Jennings - all three were 2014 Pro Bowl players who played for Mark Richt.  Regardless of the outcome of the game, at least one Bulldog will earn a Super Bowl Ring.  In regards to this article, however, the picture makes it look like everyone was a bit uncomfortable.  I know that is the nature of recruiting, but it seems pretty exhausting.

DHJohnson
DHJohnson

wrecka, as a dog fan, would of loved to had a Megatron.....to bad we all just cant get along....

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

We want Lorenzo, oh no we want Lorenzo. Word of advice Lorenzo, do what mama says and youll do well.

wreckmaniac
wreckmaniac

Well, I killed this one and that's my job.

wreckmaniac
wreckmaniac

No player of this caliber at Tech ?   When the dwags get a Calvin or Damarius (who will score on Sunday) call me.

wreckmaniac
wreckmaniac

CMR has proven that he gets nothing from 5 stars.  He needs to change his direction and see if he can win a nat champ with 2 and 3 stars.  Go ahead coach. Step out there. Do something different.  You've proven what doesn't work.

wreckmaniac
wreckmaniac

If he goes to UGA he will end up on the heap of 5 stars who became nothing as a dawg.  His 5 minutes of fame is now while he is being recruited.  After signing, he's  forgotten.  Same old ho-hum.  Sad, really.

wreckmaniac
wreckmaniac

He's required to go to UGA isn't he ?   I mean don't most 5 stars from Georgia do what they're told by their friends and family.  They always have. 

Simon23
Simon23

If Carter signs at UGA, he will be the biggest bust since Caleb King. Not because of his off the field trouble, because Carter is a good kid.  But he is VERY SOFT and does not understand how much he will have to work. IF he dedicates himself to becoming stronger and tougher, he might be a quality backup in the SEC. His personality and speed has carried him in High School and during the recruiting process. But, there will be no pretending when one of those 285 lb SEC lineman hit him in practice this fall. Trust me, he will be forced to red-shirt when the coaches see how he performs with better talent around him. They are all betting on the come with this guy. He is the anti-David Pollack. Pollack did not have the measurables, but that dude had heart and a engine that never stopped.

TampGator1
TampGator1

In fact, SlawDawg......Florida has an offer out to another DE recruit (Rico McWilliams) that is contingent upon which school Carter selects.  Carter takes McWilliams spot if he chooses Florida.  McWilliams heads to Gainesville if Carter picks another school.  So explain the silent commit theory again please......

TampGator1
TampGator1

SlawDawg.......


Carter is NOT a silent commit to Florida.  Carter's parents do not even know for sure where he is going, with his dad wanting Florida and his mother Georgia.  And FSU and LSU making things even more confusing for everyone involved.  And I would certainly like to know that "contack" you have in Foley's office.   What a crock......of...you know what.  If anything, I would say Carter is leaning to Georgia right now for several reasons, but the big one being the desires of his mother for him to go to Georgia., . 

Courtney2
Courtney2

I hope this Blue Devil becomes a Dawg! 

slydawg
slydawg

I think this is a damn shame and those folks look very uncomfortable in the photo. I believe they were just trying not to be rude, but being surrounded by rival coaches is absolute ridiculous. This is disrespect of their space. Whoever coach got there first, then so be it, but to "not give an inch" is pathetic and obsessive. If the parents knew better (I am only assuming), some sort of ground rules should be established, like give me 50 feet PLEASE!!!!!!!

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

Here is one of those Alabama guys that prays about football.

I do all the time. I pray that the players on both teams come out with no injuries.

Yea, I am one of those fools.


WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

PSWallace, the last thing he needs is to go to school that has a " good man".

He needs a real man that will care enough about him to teach him a work ethic and

some discipline. You are not going to get that with Brother.

Do you really think Brother has the guts to stand up to Carter?

What a laugh.    

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

I don't care where the kid goes, but for his own sake don't go to Ga.

Like Brother, he is on the lazy side and won't get pushed.

The only real reason he might go to GA is the 30 minutes from Norcross.

Again, great for a guy that is on the lazy side.

Let's face it, he needs a coach that will ride him.

TampGator1
TampGator1

@BMOC....


Carter did not look very good against Booker T. Washington (the best team in Florida) either. They killed Norcross and their 2-star OT dominated Carter.  But he did look good during the UR game in Orlando.  But Carter will need to redshirt year one and gain weight and strength....and learn college level technique.  I personally believe he is an ideal match to play the hybrid DE/OLB position that Florida runs in their defense.  He can rush the QB and also drop back in coverage.  I know that is what Muschamp is recruiting him to play, and I think he would excel there in time. 


TampGator1
TampGator1

BMOC.....


Not the last couple of years under Pease....and with last year's injuries to so many key players.  Georgia's offense took a hit last year at well with injuries.  But, fortunately, your QB played most of the year and you had and have an excellent OC. 

BMOC_
BMOC_

TampGator1 - Florida had an offense??

BMOC_
BMOC_

Lorenzo Carter, or at least the Lorenzo Carter I saw play in the State Championship game, looked VERY average.  I was hoping that he would go somewhere besides UGA, honestly, because I think he is WAY over-rated, or at least from what I've seen.  He was probably the 10th or 12th best player on the field that night.  Just can't imagine him being the best player in the state when he wasn't even the best player on the field of two teams.  If he comes to UGA, I hope I'm wrong.

TampGator1
TampGator1

@The Ricker.....



You should educate yourself about the Florida offense and Pease before you post about them.  To say that Florida did not run a pro-style offense and ran the offense that Boise ran is....well....ignorant of the facts.  Pease was not hired to come to Florida to imprement the Boise playbook (which operates almost entirely from the shotgun).  Pease was hired from Boise, but the pro-style playbook implemented and established by Charlie Weiss was not changed much The only changes where motions added to plays. But Florida ran a pro-style offense with the QB under center most of the time and with two backs in the backfield, including a fullback and running back…..and one or two tight ends on most every play. 


And concerning your comment about Roper being from the same .mold or cut as Pease.


  1. Roper was under the Ole Miss and Duke head coach (Cutcliffe) for years.He also served under Cutlcliffe at Tennessee when Cutcliffe was the OC there).Pease has jumped all over the place and really only had one successful year as an OC at Boise.

  2. Roper has a track record of coaching up QBs at Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Duke….sending multiple QBs to the NFL.Pease does not have that kind of track record and was not a very good QB coach at Kentucky (an ex-Kentucky QB stated that after he was hired at Florida.

  3. Roper has a track record of improving QBs and offenses, especially at Duke, under Cutcliffe.

  4. Roper has experience changing a pro-style offense to a spread offense (at Ole Miss and Duke) and doing it successfully.


So, I have reason to believe that the Roper hire will make a big difference for the Florida offense in 2014 and I have reason to believe that Roper will have a very positive influence on Driskel running the spread offense, which he is much better suited at doing.







PSWallace
PSWallace

Go to Athens, young man, and have a good time, while learning under a good man in Mark Richt.

TampGator1
TampGator1

@NCDawg......


I have no doubts that the Gators offense would have been improved last year if the following players had not been hurt or lost for he season:


QB - Driskel - season

QB - Murphy - last three games

RB - Jones - last 5 games

WR - Debose - season

TE - Thompson - season

TE - Taylor - season

LT - Humphries - last 7 games

RT - Moore - last 4 games

RT - Green - season

RG - Halapio - first 4 games (and played injured the entire season with pectoral tear)


No team sustains the injuries on offense that Florida did last year and improves or stays the same.  You think Georgia's offense was better this past year with the injuries they had?  And look what happened in the bowl game when your starting QB did not play.  Just saying.....with some sort of objectivity and reason.  But think and post what you like.  Florida gets most of those players back this coming year except for Murphy and Taylor (both transferred) and Halapio (who graduated).  Just makes sense with their return and more experience and depth that the Gators offense will improve a lot this year under Roger.....unless, of course, they sustain the same kind and amount of injuries in 2014. 




kerryb
kerryb

Carter's Mom is looking like she is having a real good time sitting next to Kelly.  His Dad is also looking pretty thrilled.  I would be surprised if Carter left the state of Georgia with UGA getting the last official visit before recruiting goes quite until Wednesday. 

kerryb
kerryb

Tech fans are on here with their trash talk but they know that they will NEVER have a chance with a player of this caliber.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@wreckmaniac


You apparently don't understand that NOBODY in Dawg Nation(or any other fan base) gives a fat rodent's rear-end what you think and post. You obviously couldn't find your azz with a GPS!!!


CMR performs the ANNUAL SPANKING OF THE NORTH AVENUE TRADE SCHOOL BUNGLEBEES so well that it really doesn't matter if he uses 5* players or walk-ons!!!

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@wreckmaniac


 Unlike you they usually have friends and family!!!!!!!!


Is it true that you were NOT born but rather a bolt of lightning hit a BUZZARD in the azz and you fell out????

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@Simon23 I guess we are to actually believe your evaluation over those of ALL THE BIGTIME COLLEGE COACHES chasing after Carter!!!


Yeah, right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Idiot

Dawg350
Dawg350

Whiskey

No you're amongst other reasons....I bet you do pray for whiskey everyday,

DawgnIT
DawgnIT

@WhiskeyBreathHasn't there been a lot of Bama players getting in trouble the past few months?

NCDawg
NCDawg

@WhiskeyBreath- what does a cowardly worm like you know about being a real man, WhiskeyD_ck?  You wouldn't know what a real man is or is not if it bit you on the arse.  Mark Richt has 10000x more guts than you have or ever will have.  I bet you'd pee your pants if you were made to spew your BS at the man in person.



Dawg350
Dawg350

I wish you would quit calling Richt brother....that's really classless thing to say. Do yourself a favor....go drink some more.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@WhiskeyBreath


So you think you know more about judging recruits than all the major college coaches(including Nick & Kirby)  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    You couldn't find your azz with both hands in your hip pockets!!!

Dawg350
Dawg350

Whiskey

He will go to UGA....so you better start praying that he goes to Bama! Lmao!

NCDawg
NCDawg

@TampGator1the offense got hurt after they showed no demonstrable improvement at the beginning of the season.  Sure it didn't help matters but Driskel was still not up to snuff.  It was pretty obvious that they were still lame offensively.  


How can a coach, any coach not be able to recruit offensive firepower in Florida?  That is why most people think Muschamp has to show big improvement.

Dawg350
Dawg350

I doubt it.....y'all still had a healthy offense when you lost to Miami and y'all still like to block each other during the games. I told you Jennifer driskell was going to be a bust and you said he was an NFL qb! Lmao!

POAD2013
POAD2013

@midtowncowboy

There you go again with the GAY comments. Are you a homophobe or something?

You can't make a witty BARB so you go to gay bashing?

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@Dawg350 You maybe got a point there!!!!!  W would then have Brother Richt and Brother Whiskey and on the religious circuits Brother Richt could use Brother Whiskey as an example of what happens when an inbred has low morals, low self esteem and low IQ!!

SlawDawg
SlawDawg

@Dawg350 

Fellow Brother Dawg....Carter ain't coming to Athens. I know for a fact he will choose Florida because I have a  contack in the Florida A.D. and Carter has been a silent committ for several weeks. It did not have to be that way but since Coach Rick hired John Pruitt and John Rocker the wheels are coming off the UGA bus. We all better stand up and hold Rick accountible for his actions or we will become the Vandy of the East. My annual donation has been put on hold. Hit em in the purse over in Athens and you will get there attention. Go Dogs.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@POAD2013@midtowncowboy


POADIE:  Were you not verbally spanked for "Over-the-line" post????

That eliminates your right to chastise other posters!!!


Who is gay bashing?? I believe MC is in charge of what is overboard and what is not!!!!!!!!

Dawg350
Dawg350

I'm sure you like the idea of any man in a speedo! Lmao! You're nothing but a wimp! Dawgs will make it 13 of 14 next year! Book it!

SlawDawg
SlawDawg

@Dawg350 

Brother Dawg....I agree about the John Rocker crap. Why in the heck did Mark Rick hire him with all his past problems pitching for the Braves. I think Rick has spent too much time in the tanning booth. Don't you? Or do you like the idea of Rick in a Speedo laying in a tanning booth? Go Dogs.

Dawg350
Dawg350

Slaw dog

You're the number one fool on this board. The John rocker crap is getting old!...... Troll on little techie!