Posted: 3:38 am Friday, February 7th, 2014

‘Behind the scenes’ on the recruiting trail 

By Michael Carvell

One of the best “reads” from signing day a piece by 247sports.com called “Behind the Scenes.”

It offers an overview and perspective on the highlights (and low-lights) of this year’s recruiting scene.

Here is one item that was Georgia-related and caught our attention. (click HERE to read more):

One of the wilder scenarios this past cycle occurred in Jesup (Ga.) Wayne County. Four-star wide receiver Krenwick Sanders committed to Georgia on Nov. 29, 2012. Georgia reached out to Wayne County coach Jody Grooms in July and indicated they were cooling on the instate commit, hence parting ways. Sanders eventually found a new suitor in Wisconsin and committed to the Badgers on Oct. 8.

In January, Florida, reeling after a 4-8 campaign, was scrambling to find receivers and made a push for Sanders. They went in the home on Monday night Jan. 13 sending in assistants Joker Phillips and Brad Lawing.

They went around Grooms and went straight to the family’s house for the in-home. Sanders contacted his coach to join the in-home visit.

Rewind seven years earlier. As the coach for Wadesboro (N.C.) Anson County, Grooms had a similar situation to that of Sanders. His wide receiver at the time, Michael Bowman, signed his National Letter of Intent with South Carolina. He was set to enroll in August and received a call from South Carolina that they were going in a different direction, saying Bowman hadn’t met the required academic requirements for admission to the university, despite him having more than the necessary core G.P.A and test. Bowman wound up having to go to East Carolina and Gamecocks head coach Steve Spurrier called out the school’s admissions department, threatening to leave if they did not accept NCAA-eligible athletes.

And who was on that South Carolina staff? Lawing. It was the first time Grooms had crossed paths with the assistant since that instance years ago.

Needless to say, with Sanders going through a similar type deal, Florida wound up sending in the wrong assistant to try and flip him, given the historical connection with the high school coach. Sanders signed with Wisconsin yesterday.

You gotta love recruiting, eh? One of the best recruiting storytellers I’ve ever been around is Georgia Tech assistant Andy McCollum. I could listen to him for days.

Happy Signing Day everybody.

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Quackmeyer
Quackmeyer

And the winner is satillaron with the correct ans of Waycross Georgia!  Nice going Sat.  We have some nice parting gifts for you and the little woman.

Quackmeyer
Quackmeyer

Way to heavy for me on a Sat. morn.  In other news;  The Ohio Valley Conf has no teams from Ohio.  Oregon and Oregon State signed a total of 48 players this week, only 2 of those players were from Oregon.

And now a mental exercise;  What is the largest city in the largest county in the largest state, East of the Mississippi?  Ans: after lunch!

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

Carvell- Since the kids here from Alabama can't count, I'm begging you to do a story on how Alabama gets from 85 scholarship players in 2013 to 2014. While you're doing the math, you're going to come across about 8 players who magically disappear from the program.


Go find those 8 players and interview them. What you'll find is a long list of A) New signees promised scholarships and then told to greyshirt at the last minute and B) Juniors and Seniors who weren't starting and were deemed expendable by Saban who had their scholarships revoked.


Saban oversigned by 8 this year.. It's documented.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

BIG recruiting pitch by UGA is that most all Bowl Games will be played where it's warm, Tampa or Orlando. Go Dogs

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

The latest news from Alabama as to who will be kicked off the team prior to kickoff in August due to Nick Saban's intentional Over-Signing:  Anthony Orr,  Wilson Love, Alec Morris, and Tyren Jones.


All 4 players were led to believe that they had 4-year scholarships when they signed with Alabama. But now, Saban has signed better players in the 2014 class, so they (8 players in total) will now be booted off the team and lose their scholarships. Congratulations Alabama fans- Well done!!


http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2014/1/27/5349996/2014-roster-lookahead-the-number-crunch

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

HA!!  What a retard comment from a Bama fan trying to change the subject. Shaq Fluker left on his own due to playing time only. He wasn't asked to leave by any UGA coach and he was NEVER asked to greyshirt. Try again...

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

That article documents what I said earlier- That Bama only had 18 slots for new football players in the 2014 class. Yet they signed 26 this week on National Signing Day. They will close that gap by forcing new commits to greyshirt (not be part of the program for an entire year) or they will force upper classman (who thought they had a 4-year scholarship) to leave the football program.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

The REAL story in all this is that it is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that El Sabo(aka the 8th dwarf) has been so generous. Apparently his advisors(If he has such) convinced him this would be a way to combat those who saw El Sabo as cruel and insensitive just as soon as a better prospect showed up as opposed to his usual way of dealing with injuries and grayshirts.


I wouldn't get too excited about this becoming the norm at Bammy because Leopards don't change their spots and El Sabo has spots!!!!!!!

TampGator1
TampGator1

Rolling Tide...


Chris WIlliams had offers from Alabama, UCF, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Ohio State,   Don't know much about the gray shirt issue.....but I know the deal with his father was the main reason he flipped to UCF over anyone else that offered him. 

TampGator1
TampGator1

Rolling Tide....


UCF is a very good academic school...just so you know. 

mcadams1977
mcadams1977

@michaeltheamerican Nick Satan does this every year. I'm not sure it's breaking NCAA bylaws, but its certainly not ethical what he does. The real difference in the Alabama program and some other bigtime programs is the number of sophmores, juniors, and seniors that Saban kicks off the team.


At most schools, when you sign your NLI and scholarship, it's a safe assumption that you'll be there for four years. But not at Alabama. Basically, if you're not starting by your junior year, you're at risk of being kicked off the team. That's the unethical part of it and how Saban has abused players over the years.

RollingTide
RollingTide

@michaeltheamerican Wait....you might be on to something!!!  Something nobody has ever thought about or discussed before!  YOU DID IT MIKETHEAMERICAN!!!  You cracked the case!  Brilliant!  Please be sure to send all of your documentation to the SEC and NCAA...maybe Yahoo Sports and ESPN while you're at it.  This is some of the finest in-depth, hard hitting investigatory work I've seen in years!

BrownDog
BrownDog

@michaeltheamerican  


Wow, talk about an almost complete misrepresentation of what the story says. Best of luck to Mark Beard, by the way. 

RollingTide
RollingTide

@michaeltheamerican Jesus you are stupid.  Orr and Love have graduated and don't play anyway.  Find me ONE player that had their scholly revoked.  Post a link from their twitter account...anything that proves it all goes down like you or some other tool from a blog says.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@michaeltheamerican  most players KNOW that scholarship are 1 year renewable. Some coaches say they will get 4 years but the scholarship papers have to be done every year.

Technically right now ALL SCHOLARSHIPS are for just 1 year be it Academic or Athletic. The scholarship holder has to live up to their end of the requirements for the scholarship to be renewed.

BrownDog
BrownDog

@michaeltheamerican  


And you were within listening distance when the UA coaching staff ordered them off campus, right?

RollingTide
RollingTide

@michaeltheamerican No rather UGA forced his hand by declaring him medically ineligible which he says was a lie. 


And why would UGA ever need to greyshirt when Helen Hunt can't even sign a full class?

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@michaeltheamerican


Don't overload ole Single Digit IQ Boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  He's thinking and thinking and thinking and thinki   ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

RollingTide
RollingTide

@michaeltheamerican Or maybe...just maybe...Saban already knows who is leaving early for NFL, graduated, medical, etc. BEFORE he starts handing out offers.  Nah...you two goofs know much more I'm sure.

mcadams1977
mcadams1977

This story is pretty crazy. Even the Tide fans are starting to admit that their own recruiting process is shady.

WDE
WDE

@Snagglepuss El Sabo(aka the 8th dwarf) LMAOROTF that was good !

RollingTide
RollingTide

@Snagglepuss Who's changing the subject? Just asking how Saban keeps morphing into so many different personas.  Now he's also a mexican and  chameleon...sounds to me like you should charge him rent for living in your head so long! I guess that's all you got is flinging poo against the wall to see if it will stick. 

RamboDawg
RamboDawg

Orlando Sentinel keep calling it a "flip" in their articles on Williams, that just doesn't make sense, the kid was more than excited about going to Bama.

RollingTide
RollingTide

@TampGator1 Yes, his father had a stroke and that might have been the MAIN issue...but though he had a 20 on his ACT his core class requirements were not what they should be so Bama offered the greyshirt for him to have time to get that squared away.  If UCF accepted his core the great...best of luck to the kid.  Of course that's not the way some here want to spin it so whatever. 

RollingTide
RollingTide

@TampGator1 I believe it....and you are right about the partial/non qualify stuff.  I remember that was different when they were C-USA. 

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

@BrownDog Mark Beard is staying for his senior season. And even if he wasn't, Beard still has nothing to do with what's being debated here. Because no coach ever asked Beard to leave or to greyshirt.


Alabama kicks upperclassman off the team and/or asks new signees to greyshirt. Neither of those things happen at other SEC schools. Its unique to Nick Saban and Alabama.

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

@RollingTide  Orr and Love both have 1 year of eligibility left. You say "they've graduated" like they don't want to play their 4th year of football. They came to Alabama to play football.

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

The Tide don't kick players out, they just take back their Escalade

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

@POAD2013 We're not debating the length of scholarships. We're debating the uniqueness of how Alabama coaches manage their numbers to 85 each year by kicking upperclassman (who don't play much) off the team and by asking new signees to greyshirt.


 Its been documented that Kirby Smart asked the Cornerback from Camden County, GA to greyshirt less than 2 weeks prior to signing day. That player had been committed for over 6 months. It was a classless move by Alabama because they had recruited other more highly ranked defensive backs in the months leading up to signing day and they felt they no longer needed this player. Classless.

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

@RollingTide @michaeltheamerican UGA manages to 85 every year. Alabama should try it for once. As of right now, Saban is at 93. Have fun breaking the hearts of 8 current players who thought they were getting 4-year scholarships when they signed at Tuscaloosa. Between today and August kickoff, they'll be told there is no longer a scholarship for them.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@RollingTide @Snagglepuss


Please read the ROLLAMAROLL goody above submitted by michaeltheamerican above

written by the Bammyites butt kissing sporting news blogs, etc


All anti-Bammies should keep this for future reference!!.....at least until the 7 million dollar/yr. man goes away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@RollingTide @Snagglepuss


Why are you now ASKING QUESTIONS AND CHANGING THE SUBJECT????????


I thought  you knew everything but after getting some of the nicest beatdowns ever, on here it appears you are jumping ship(finally) Never have I seen more appropriate beatdowns. LMAO!!!!!!!!


El Sabo(aka The chameleon) becomes ANY nationality that  will get he and his slicktalking sidekicks(Kirby and Kiffin) a foot in the door so to identify him as Mexican would not be accurate!!!!


All your BS was shot down so severely maybe you will now slink quietly away to a dark, quiet, cool spot, curl up in a fetal position, suck your thumb and become even more irrelevant!!!!


michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

@RollingTide It's not about getting to play. But at other schools, non-starters aren't kicked off the team prior to their 4 years of eligibility being up. That's unique to Nick Satan and the Bama way.

RollingTide
RollingTide

@michaeltheamerican So, really your faux outrage isn't about them getting an education and being able to COMPETE for the job...you're just mad that everyone doesn't get to play.  To quote Dan Hawkins, "This ain't lntramurals brother!"  At Alabama not everyone can play...only the best.  I know in your world everybody gets a participation ribbon and an ice cream.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@michaeltheamerican  technically the players that just signed their LOI are not enrolled in school and are not on campus so they are not on the TEAM YET and therefore the total number of scholarship players can't be written in concrete for any school.

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

@RollingTide @michaeltheamerican RT- Incorrect Sir. You're currently at 93.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@michaeltheamerican when is the last time Richt and UGa actually had 85 scholarship players on the team? It has been awhile since a Walk-on wasn't given a scholly because a player or 2 didn't get kicked off the team or fail out of school.

michaeltheamerican
michaeltheamerican

@Snagglepuss @RollingTide Shaq Fluker has nothing to do with greyshirting. He didn't greyshirt and no UGA coach ever asked him to greyshirt. Just a stupid Bama fan trying to change the subject because he has no way to defend Bama's practice of greyshirting and taking away player's scholarships after 1-2 years in their program.