Posted: 11:59 pm Tuesday, February 18th, 2014

Atlanta DB ‘not committed’ to Tennessee after miscommunication 

By Michael Carvell

One of the state’s top defensive backs is “not committed” to Tennessee, according to his high school coach.

“There was just some miscommunication,” Tucker coach Bryan Lamar told the AJC on Tuesday.

On Monday night, Tucker 4-star cornerback Duke Shelley created a lot of excitement among Tennessee fans on Twitter when he surprisingly tweeted out “I’m officially a VOL.”

Since the 5-foot-8 speedster is such a highly-rated prospect and claims offers from several big schools, including Clemson and Georgia Tech, his commitment over Social Media quickly was picked up by Tennessee media outlets. Shelley did a long interview about the commitment with InsideTennessee.com.

However, by late Monday night, some of the same websites weren’t sure if the commitment had been accepted by the Tennessee coaches.

“It’s part of learning the recruiting process,” Lamar said. “It’s one of those things where you had a kid commit before he talked to me, and I can make sure we are all on the same page (with the college) with everything. That’s all.

“They’re (Tennessee) still high on him. It’s not a situation where they don’t like the kid or want the kid. You know how it is? They’ve still got to go through their evaluation and recruiting process, and make sure he’s the best fit for them and all that kind of stuff.

“He’s still considering Tennessee. It’s not a situation where there’s anything negative out of the situation. There are no hard feelings. If it was a bad situation, I would say it. But that’s not the case. It was just a miscommunication.”

Also on Monday, USC issued an apology after an unnamed member of the team’s football staff was overheard calling Jalen Hurd “soft and terrible” in a video posted on USC’s Instagram account. Hurd is the 5-star running back who signed with Tennessee a couple of weeks ago.

THE TUCKER PIPELINE

After having 16 seniors sign college football scholarships (including two with UGA) a couple of weeks ago, Tucker is poised again to have another stellar class of recruits. It’s a D1 pipeline and that’s why all colleges (including Tennessee) are careful not to burn any bridges there.

Tucker has four 2015 kids who are among the state’s top 75 juniors.

OLB Elijah Sullivan (247sports)

OLB Elijah Sullivan (247sports)

The headliner is defensive tackle Jonathan Ledbetter, who abruptly committed to Alabama last month but visited UGA last week and will go to Auburn next weekend.

Tucker outside linebacker Elijah Sullivan (6-1, 215) got an offer from the Florida Gators this week. “He should be getting a lot of offers over the next few weeks when the college guys get back into the office, and start looking over all the new information they’ve gathered,” Lamar said. “He’s one of the better players in the state – there’s no question about it.” Sullivan also has early offers from Auburn and Georgia Tech, while UGA and Alabama are extremely interested and reviewing his film. “The guy from Miami asked me ‘Where have you been hiding this kid?’ I haven’t been hiding him. I’ve been telling everybody about Elijah. You know how recruiting goes? You tell people about kids, but sometimes they don’t really pay attention until some other schools offer. He’s one of the better kids out there. I want to see some linebackers that are better than him. He’s as athletic and physical as we’ve ever had at Tucker. He’s unreal.”

Tucker wide receiver Nekyle Lundie (6-0, 200) might’ve been the best player at the Elite Junior Classic with an acrobatic over-the-shoulder catch and nasty crackback block. He’s got early offers from Georgia Tech and Missouri. “They like his size, and his ball skills. That kid is extremely talented. They like all those things about him. He’s 200 pounds and runs in the 4.4 for the 40-yard dash. He can play. In that (junior) all-star game, he was kind of like a man among boys.”

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62 comments
FrankFraticelli
FrankFraticelli

As far as recruiting in general goes - the NCAA has lost control of it...now coaches are offering kids in the 8th grade...ridiculous. There needs to be a set time period where recruitors can evaluate and recruit - no touchie, feelie, talkie before or after...and, the NCCAA - since they want to meddle in everything else concerning football - should put a stop to the media frenzy ESPN and others have created, with recruits using the media to discuss and announce their choices ad nauseum. The entire process has become ludicrous and makes some of the kids - who are immature to the extreme - think and act like total fools. And even worse, it makes some of their parents the worst types of stage moms and dads. It's become comical - and the fans are just as bad, following every little rumor and twitter comment as if the entire fate of their program will swing on some kids decision. What the hell ever happened to "amateur sports?"


If you want tyo see how absolutely off the wall the entire process has become - just read these blogs <G> Grown men vilifying each other and making the most absurd comments over little kids playing "foo bahl." And then you have Alabama and Auburn fans who actually shoot each other (see this past year at the Alabama post game party after the AUburn loss, where one woman shot and killed another woman who was a mother of three because "she was not upset enough after the loss") over a football game. Yep, a lot of logic and good old fashion sportsmanhip going on there, I tell ya'! Just sad...


What have our lives come to when we spend more time and energy and emotional capital worrying about college football than we do the more critical issues of life. Everybody knows who their football coaches are(along with their entire work history and family backround) but ask them who their congressman, senator, city councilman, governor is or what their backround and their clueless. Maybe it is time for us to grow up just a TAD! <G>

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

Mike,

Elijah didn't abruptly do anything.

He went to Alabama's junior camp last June.. Bama has been on him for a long time.

We're not Brother Richt and react to everything. Saban actually takes time to do pre planning.    

Funny how you love to make Alabama the bad guy who stole

this kid.

Any chance Ga was taking their time to see who Bama goes after.

No way Ga was a sleep at the wheel for this kid, right?  

The Ga way, never give credit to the other side, and never take responsibility

for anything negative.

Ruff Ruff  



thebucket
thebucket

Just a heard some bad news out of Athens. Just darn.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

As  Bell says..."call before you dig"......Nick Saban has offered 300 players but none commit before they check with the Boss...

Quackmeyer
Quackmeyer

The old guy......I believe you missed the real nature of the coaches comment.  I did not see what you saw as the interpretation of the coaches position.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MichaelCarvell Seemingly small news considering the concentration of talent in Atlanta HS football, but my hometown coach has taken a new job in Greenwood, SC.  This has a possibility to be of some benefit to GT.  During Pippins tenure at NAHS, the ONLY BCS team to offer one of his players was GT.  (Jake Whitley, '14)  Pippin is heading to Greenwood High School, which, until the last couple of years, was regularly putting players into USC(e), Clemson, LSU and other BCS schools.  I hope our recruiters keep up the contact with Coach Pippin, as he could very well steer some talent in our direction.


http://www.wjbf.com/story/24747023/report-greenwood-hs-interested-in-north-augustas-pippin

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

" You know how it is?" So the coach has taken it upon himself to have the authority to determine where his players go to college? He is not their owner and they are not his property. The choice is up to the kid and his parents. I have to wonder about the coach's motivation for trying to control where his kids go to college.

LakeDawg
LakeDawg

The whole  idea of "committable offers" is sleazy. Its like CMR asked, "what's an uncommittable offer?" You have an offer, but you can't accept? In other words, its not an offer at all. Georgia kids need to stay with UGA if they have an offer. CMR is honorable. The rest of these sleazebags at surrounding universities...not so much.   

JacketMan
JacketMan

It's gotten to the point I'm almost asking myself why GA Tech even bothers recruiting Tucker High any more as they seem to have a burr under their saddle about the Jackets. I can't remember the last player from Tucker who even gave GA Tech a sniff, and because of this, it would seem to me my resources would be better spent on programs that gave a dam* about my program.

I don't know whether it's the coaches there, or these kids just don't think they can cut it academically (which is ridiculous if they want a great degree and put their minds towards it), but as far as I'm concerned, this would be the last season I'd put much effort in that program.

thebucket
thebucket

@WhiskeyBreath You don't even know who you're talking about. Elijah hasn't committed to anybody. The article stated, "Jonathan Ledbetter, who abruptly committed to Alabama last month but visited UGA last week and will go to Auburn next weekend." In your overzealousness to hate all things CMR, UGA, AJC, and MC you forgot which kid actually committed and which kid doesn't actually have a Bama offer yet. BTW, the people around Jonathan were surprised by his commit and most think it had a lot to do with the Eliza Shaw deal. Is that true? I don't know. I don't make stuff up and present it as fact like you do all day everyday.

Lambert Dawg
Lambert Dawg

@WhiskeyBreath Why can't you just be happy the kid committed to Bama?  Mark Richt doesn't react to anything when it comes to recruiting.  He recruits just fine.  Mark Richt wins and loses with respect. Seems to me you're the one not giving credit to Richt. I could smell the whiskey in every word you wrote.  

D-Sheets
D-Sheets

@TheOldGuy

Reads that way to me too, OldGuy.  Tucker's HC seems to have too much influence on his kids' decisions. 

thebucket
thebucket

@TheOldGuy I didn't get that vibe from what the coach said. I would imagine most recruiters have a point man that they talk to about a kid they are recruiting. Sometimes that would be a parent and sometimes that might be the coach. I applaud Coach Lamar for trying to help his guys in the recruiting process and with as many kids as Tucker sends to college to play ball I would say the kids have a strong advocate@ Tucker to look out for their interests.

Coach_Sebastian_Moore
Coach_Sebastian_Moore

@TheOldGuy  Not true at all. There is no agenda. Just want to make sure the kid understands where he stands with the school. The kid thought he could commit, the school was not finished evaluating their Corners for 2015 even though they offered the kid.

Thats all there is too it. Sorry to disappoint you. No conspiracy here....

LarryPike
LarryPike

@LakeDawg  A lot of the Georgia kids want to compete for Championships so they look to surrounding schools not coached by Mark Richt. The BCS came and went and with all those "great" recruiting classes Richt pulled in, they never even played for the BCS Championship much less win one. He has a reputation of underachieving and kids know this. When Bama was down in the 90s and early 2000s they kept searching for coaches until they got Saban. Tennessee fired a HOF coach and are now on their 3rd coach since. Auburn fired a guy that won a NC for them. Not easy decisions for any of these schools but necessary because these schools continually strive for improvement and the ultimate prize. UGA just keeps Richt around for mediocre year after mediocre year and he wins just enough to keep his job. He is a really nice guy but his resume is very mediocre compared to the talent he recruits there. 

Gandolph
Gandolph

@JacketMan  Not everyone wants an engineering degree.  Without an expansion of your cirriculum, Tech will likely miss out on a lot of kids.

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@JacketMan  I don't get your point. There are a lot of high schools in Atlanta that have had kids turn down GT, UGA and any other SEC/ACC school out there. If you don't want to "bother" recruiting those high schools for that reason, then there wouldn't be any football players on rosters in SEC/ACC. It's just recruiting. Georgia Tech had a pretty good shot at the kid who signed with Stanford a few years ago, and I'm sure they'll get some good ones out of there again soon. Sounds like they have a good shot at the Lundie kid.

Coach_Sebastian_Moore
Coach_Sebastian_Moore

@JacketMan  Not true at all buddy. We love Georgia Tech. Tech went through a stretch a couple of years ago where they wanted to recruit Nashville, DMV, and Ohio more than Metro Atlanta (Paul Johnson's exact words...)

But they hired some guys in their support staff that have some real ties here in Atlanta and they have been showing area kids a lot of love lately. If this continues GT will get some Tucker Commits really soon.

I know Sullivan likes tech, so does 2016 6'3 220 LB/DE/TE prospect Tabarius Peterson.

Hopefully GT jumps on Peterson soon because Auburn loves Peterson and an offer may come from them as early as this weekend. Peterson will be going to Auburn this weekend for their junior day even though he is just a sophomore.

BigTimeTECHFan
BigTimeTECHFan

@MikeBanning  


A lot of the times the Collages coaches will go through the HS school in regards to their interest in a player. It may be that after the kid committed to Tenn:

: His HS Coach said "great, I'll let the other schools know your not interested"

: Kid say no, no, no don't turn down any offers

:HS coach then says then your not committed

Coach_Sebastian_Moore
Coach_Sebastian_Moore

@MikeBanning  He should talk to the HC before he commits to avoid confusion like this. Offers are not the same everywhere. 


At Georgia and Auburn an offer is an offer. That kid can commit at any time before they are full and they will accept him. At some schools an offer is different. This may be one of those cases. We don't judge. To each is own...

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

"@MikeBanning  Why should a high school player talk to his coach before committing?" That’s a good question, and it’s mentioned in the above article. A kid should tell his coach if he’s committing (especially early in the process) to make sure everybody is on the same page, i.e. to find out whether or not he has a “committable” offer. Many of these early 2015 offers (especially from out-of-state colleges) to Georgia kids that you hear about are not committable offers, except for with the elite recruits. Rather they are more like “We like you enough to invite you to camp and earn a real offer” offers. And it leads to situations like this every winter every year across the nation (not just with Tennessee or in the SEC, etc.). Basically, these kids are new to the recruiting process, and some college coaches are like used car salesmen --making preferred walk-ons feel like they are wanted like 5-stars. That’s just recruiting. Anyways, if a kid really wants to find out where he stands with a college, he gets an adult (parent, but preferably a coach) to speak directly with the college coach.

thebucket
thebucket

@MikeBanning I thought about that also. If I had to guess I would say that UT "offered" him, but made it a conditional offer based upon Shelley attending a camp @ UT to work out in front of the staff. A lot of the schools that offer kids early do that. They offer kids they are interested in to get them on campus and then they make the committable offers to the kids that excel in their on-campus tryout. Whatever the deal was the coach must not have thought it was a UT screw-up because he didn't appear to be upset or think his player got a raw deal.

RedandBlackDAWG
RedandBlackDAWG

@WhiskeyBreath @thebucket Even you can do better than that. Saban has the same problems as CMR or any other coach with some players on his team. He can't baby sit them anymore than any other coach. It is funny how you always seem to be so critical because CMR doesn't hide his religious beliefs. I guess to be a good guy to you, he would have to be a drunk or go out and have fun with the guys. Alabama had 6 players arrested for various incidences last year and led the SEC in that category. Does that make Saban a bad coach? Man, you really need to get some new lines, because the ones you use are like a guy carrying water with holes in the bucket. In the end, by the time he gets the bucket home, it is empty.

thebucket
thebucket

@WhiskeyBreath @thebucket So because a young man smokes weed and violates the code of conduct @ UGA and gets kicked out of school that means CMR is a phony Christian. If you have evidence that CMR is a fraud then why don't you produce it? You slander a good man's name on these blogs almost daily and it is sickening and sad that you do that. I have worshipped with CMR and I have watched him show up at his kid's functions at school and he is a genuine Christian as far as I can tell. I am sure he is not the only coach that loves Jesus, but he is real. Put up or shut up Whiskey Breath!

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@forexbomb @AugustaJacket @MichaelCarvell  Again, we've had one recruit from there, ever, that I can remember.  I don't know how "good" the relationship is or isn't, but I'd definitely leverage it for whatever it's worth at his new school.

thebucket
thebucket

@LarryPike @LakeDawg Everyone always talks about the "great" recruiting classes at UGA, but the facts are that a top 10 recruiting class usually means that UGA is 5th or 6th in their own conference I the recruiting rankings.


Also, any fair minded person would come to the conclusion that UGA was in serious contention several times in the BCS era. In 2012 UGA was right at the door and with just a little defense could have won it all. Coaching is a big part of the game, but sometimes luck is also a huge factor. If Shockley doesn't get hurt the week before the Florida game in 2005 UGA beats the Gators and finishes the season undefeated. 2002 and 2007 were other years where UGA had a legitimate shot. Richt is a good man and he does things the right way and sooner or later his time will come.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Gandolph @JacketMan  I've been saying the same thing for years.  There is the Business Degree for Athletes, but that's it.  We basically have one degree for them to take.  Adding Communications, Sports Management, etc wouldn't damage the academic reputation of the school and might make recruiting easier.

Coach_Sebastian_Moore
Coach_Sebastian_Moore

@BigTimeTECHFan @MikeBanning  No but thats not what happened here. The kid wanted to go to Tenn, Tennessee wasn't ready to take him because they are still evaluating his position for 2015.

Like I said this can be avoided by just waiting until you are finished evaluating to offer kids. You can't have it both ways. Unless you evaluate really early in the game. Like his Sophomore year. Which they could have done because he had a really nice sophmore year too. Several INTs, and scored on Defense 2-3 times. But they didn't do that here and it led to the confusion.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@MichaelCarvell @MikeBanning  

OK, I'm clear on that.

On another issue, shouldn't the PARENTS and HS HC's teach their Recruits to put their "egos in their back pockets" and by doing this,  it would eliminate the culture of "they offered me first and showed me some love & respect".

As long as recruits are guided by their EGOS and not their brains, then the phenomenon of "we offered first" will continue and will result in a lot of offers that aren't committable and aren't worth the hot air used to speak them. 

Recruits could easily eliminate the culture of "we offered first" by demanding that schools they deal with make only committable offers, and if I'm not good enough at this time to get one, then don't make any offer, simply come when you think I'm good enough for your program.

IMO this entire situation (monster) is created by recruits putting "value" on who offered first rather than, what is the best situation for me.

Coach_Sebastian_Moore
Coach_Sebastian_Moore

@MichaelCarvell @MikeBanning  


The question then Michael is why offer at all this early in the process if you haven't finished evaluating the kid? Just to say "hey we were one of your first offers!"

Finish your evaluation process, then offer the kid or don't offer if you don't like him.

But this game of "we offered first" is silly because if the kid likes your school and takes the offer now there is a situation.

But once you offer that says to me the coach or the player or the parent "hey they saw your film, transcripts, height, weight, etc and they like you and want you to be a member of their football team. How do you feel son?"

Crazy business...

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@POAD2013 @thebucketPOAD, he doesnt want to quit smoking. Thats a big difference from he cant quit smoking, dont be so dramatic.

thebucket
thebucket

@POAD2013 @thebucket He needs to get JHC straight first for sure. I don't have any inside knowledge so I don't know for sure what the last offense was. I don't see him going JUCO and then transferring somewhere to play since he is like you said 1 year away from being draft eligible.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@thebucket do you think he will transfer or just work out and go in the draft next year? He can't stop smoking so why would another team want him? You know if he has to pee in the cup it will be dirty. He would be better working out with these people that get guys ready for the combines and just go to UGa Pro day next year.

thebucket
thebucket

@Born_2_Buzz @thebucket Me, too. The guy has all the talent in the world, but just wasn't doing the right things he needed to do to stay @ UGA. Hopefully a change in scenery will help him get it straightened out.

FrankFraticelli
FrankFraticelli

@AugustaJacket @Gandolph @JacketMan  


You know - even though I am a Dawg fan, it pains me to hear a Tech fan say they would be willing to pad their curriculum just to snag a few players. You have a great engineering school - let it lie. When a school starts to want to be all things to all people, pretty soon it weill be not much to anybody. UGA is a state university and so has a curriculum that, honestly, is broader by design.  If UGA were, let's say, a premiere medical school - it would be a cold day in hades before I would want that reputation besmirched simply because we wanted some jocks on campus. I know Tech wants a top tier team but you can't have it all - you have a stellar academic reputation - be happy. 

forexbomb
forexbomb

@AugustaJacket @Gandolph @JacketMan  Bingo!  That absolutely needs to happen if we want to compete in football...  But the powers to be either don't want to be competitive or they are satisfied with the pitiful excuse of football we currently play... 

Coach_Sebastian_Moore
Coach_Sebastian_Moore

  @D-Sheets   Recruiting is about relationships. Its no different than any other business or profession. You sound like a causal fan that doesn't know anything about College football or business for that matter. Its probably best you stop commenting.

POAD2013
POAD2013

@MichaelCarvell I think Joe burns and the guys at Rising Seniors do a good job of helping educate kids in all sports about how recruiting works. I think they really do a lot of great thing for high school kids.

Born_2_Buzz
Born_2_Buzz

@MikeBanning @ GT, uga and many other schools, every offer is committable up until the point where that spot is filled.  i.e., first come, first served.  I wish more schools would follow this model.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@MichaelCarvell @MikeBanning  

In the end i have to agree with that, the Adults should be held to a much higher standard that the Teens that they are recruiting.

In your opinion, would an AD ever step in , and require that the FB coaches at his school, recruit with a certain level of "integrity"?

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@MikeBanning Good points, but these are kids. They are new to recruiting. These juniors are new to the recruiting process every winter. If something needs to change, it's on the side of the colleges. Some of these college assistants have been recruiting for 30-40 years. They know the mind games they are playing with the kids. And it's everywhere across the USA