Posted: 9:21 am Tuesday, March 18th, 2014

Notebook: UGA battles negative recruiting for No. 1 prospect, a radical idea, and the NCAA 

By Michael Carvell

5-star DT Trenton Thompson of Albany (12thmanpromotions.com)

5-star DT Trenton Thompson of Albany (12thmanpromotions.com)

The nation’s No. 1 prospect for 2015, defensive tackle Trent Thompson, admitted that he’s almost committed twice to UGA in a very revealing interview with 247sports.com’s Kipp Adams.

Thompson held off both times on the advice of his high school coach, adding “I do not want to commit early because I want to give everyone a chance. I want to see how their season goes and if Coach Mark Richt is going to still be there.”

Say what? Evidently there’s some negative recruiting going on in the Albany area with the high-prized recruit. Thompson told Adams that some hometown people want him to go to FSU. “They say if Georgia does not have a good season Coach Richt would probably leave.”

Thompson will visit UGA with his mother on this weekend, and still has the Bulldogs ranked as his No. 1 school. He has Alabama at No. 2 and FSU at No. 3, with Tennessee and Auburn rounding out the top five.

RADICAL IDEA TO SLOW RECRUITING (ABOUT TIME!)

Hugh Freeze

Hugh Freeze

An early signing period is this year’s trendy idea for recruiting, but Ole Miss coach Hugh Freeze would like to go in the opposite direction. Rather than accelerate the recruiting process, he’d like to slow it down. Finally, somebody who makes some sense about all of this madness. We’ll let Freeze explain: “I would love to suggest that we cannot offer, or take a commitment, or recruit a kid until August of his senior year (of high school). I know that it would probably not fly with a lot of coaches. But as we continue to progress, and we’re guilty of it also of offering younger and younger kids (at Ole Miss), I do not think high school coaches are a fan of that. I think that it’s hurting their program some. I would just love to see us recruit kids as they become seniors in high school as when you can start taking commitments and visits, and things.” So how about some details on how you would do this, Hugh? “The rule would be you cannot extend an offer until August of their senior year of high school. Now you have 2016 commitments but you would no longer see any of that. You wouldn’t see commitments start until August 1 of their senior year. Now kids are continuing to be motivated to work hard for their high school program, and you see kids develop. I think it may eliminate some of the flipping and flopping that you see both sides do with commitments and non-commitments. It’s very difficult right now. Because right now, there’s commitments all the way up until 2016. That (my idea) may not be good for some of the recruiting websites and things. But there would be no more such thing (as early commitments). You would have no commitments in any class until that senior year. That’s when the commitments start for that class. The offers come out on Aug. 1, and then you could start committing.” Freeze also suggested the seniors could begin signing letters of intent on Sept. 1 of their senior year. While the coach’s heart and intentions are in the right place, there’s pretty much no chance this would ever work. Even if they put Freeze’s rules in place, colleges would maneuver slickly around it, telling high school sophomores and juniors, “We’ll have some good news for you around Aug. 1 of your senior year.” On a related note, the more and more I research an early signing period and hear ideas (that are all over the spectrum on how to do it), the more I’m beginning to think that the current February signing period, with all of its flaws and problems, may be the best idea out there.

NCAA ON OVER-SIGNING LOOPHOLE

The NCAA confirmed that it was the SEC which has appealed the NCAA’s new interpretation on prospects signing financial aid agreements with multiple schools. On a side note, the NCAA also revealed that there were concerns that some schools (they didn’t name names but my guess would be Tennessee?) might use kids signing early financial aid agreements as a way to find a loophole in the over-signing rules. Basically, schools have a 25-man limit on signing players from Dec. 1 to May 31, with early enrollees being able to count toward the previous year’s limit. There was speculation that Tennessee might try to find a loophole by not counting kids who signed financial aid agreements before Dec. 1 against the 25-man limit. Apparently, it was more than just speculation. Said the NCAA’s Steve Mallonee: “… The other thing (with the issue of financial aid agreements) is you ran into the rule which put limits on the number of signees which starts on Dec. 1 in which you can only make 25 offers. You got into this ‘If somebody signed this (the F.A.A.) in November, then it didn’t count (towards the 25). And if somebody signed in December, it did count.’ And that created a lot of concern among the membership.” Looks like that loophole didn’t work but you’ve got to admire folks for trying.

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67 comments
dawgfacedboy
dawgfacedboy

RIcht ain't going anywhere boys. Despite the perception of failed expectations, which are true, how do you fire a coach that wins 10 games a year?

I love Coach Freeze's idea. No reason kids should be getting offers as 10th graders. Why not let them sign whenever they want too? THey can wait till signing day if they choose. They can sign after signing day why not before?

GloryBetweenTheHedges
GloryBetweenTheHedges

Richt getting fired or leaving UGA???? Yeah right. He would have to go like 3-9 and still would get a year to clean it up.

Dynasty
Dynasty

"Any Coach might get fired if they have a bad year."

Not quite. Coach Saban had a horrifyingly bad year losing 2 games but we're willing to give him another shot.

Dynasty
Dynasty

Richt could leave Georgia or get fired? I sure hope not.

TU
TU

Agree with Freeze, keep recruiting as simple as possible. Making it more complicated only benefits the cheaters.


TU
TU

Coaching turnover is the greatest threat, next to injuries, that players face. QB's, like Stafford, come to UGA to get experience in a pro style offense. If Richt leaves and a spread offense guy comes in, then that kid is skewed. 

hot13dog
hot13dog

Why would UGA fire CMR now they should have 6 years ago. UGA has told us threw there actions that winning does not matter filling the seats is all the counts!

serously
serously

MARK RICHT IS "NOT" LEAVING UGA!! I guess They Got To Say Something,Even If It is a L-I-E!!!!

TampGator1
TampGator1

POAD comes on and whatever storyline that is being followed on any AJC site completely goes to heck.  Whatever happened to intelligent beings on this earth?  

RedandBlackDAWG
RedandBlackDAWG

This whole mess with the signing a financial agreement with one college and that is it, will probably lead to coaches and schools accusing each other of not revealing it to the other, especially when the NCAA tries to punish one school or another.  How about they just eliminate this round about way of early signings and this would eliminate the quagmire that this rule will become. All it really is any way you look at it, is signing a kid early.

POAD2013
POAD2013

Smoking on Georgia public college campuses will soon be a thing of the past. Tuesday the Georgia Board of Regents voted unanimously to ban tobacco products on campuses. The ban will apply to faculty, students, and guests. The ban also applies to people attending sporting events like football games. In addition to health benefits the board says the ban will save the state millions of dollars.

HotDawg
HotDawg

TN....giving it the old college try.....lol

HotDawg
HotDawg

FSU afraid of Georgia....has to negatively recruit.

Sorry to break it to you haters, but Richt will be HC at UGA next year and many years to come.

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

nothing wrong with negative recruiting...everyone does it...a smart play...not much different than politics...you say whatever it takes, promise whatever it takes and do whatever it takes...go dogs

NCDawg
NCDawg

As every real  Bulldog fan knows, there are some on these blogs that think that their negativity is a good thing.  Read above.  For those of you that think that way I have this to say : You are responsible for that BS.  You can criticize the coaching without fueling hearsay about the job status of the head coach.  I also know that there are some folks that come on these blogs to do just that.  Their intent is to undermine by pretending to be disgruntled fans.  They want to drain away your morale.  They only win if you buy their BS.

Bulldog fans, please do not buy their BS.  There are and always will be problems no matter who the coach is.  There is a way to be dissatisfied while still maintaining a united front.  If you don't then quotes like “I do not want to commit early because I want to give everyone a chance. I want to see how their season goes and if Coach Mark Richt is going to still be there.”... will be more and more common.  Do you want to lose out on recruits because of pernicious speculation of this sort?  It won't happen if you don't allow it.

Stand tall folks.  Don't let the carrion burrow into your mind.  

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Most of us don't want Mark to give up his UGA job. I wouldn't want UGA to hire a great football coach.

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@TampGator1  

Don't flatter yourself Tampa, half the time nobody knows what you are talking about.

Also, we still don't know if you are a Ga or Florida fan.   

At least with Poad we understand what he is talking about. 

NCDawg
NCDawg

@Tougher and nastyok so what does Coach Spurrier have to say about it?  In his post game comments after the Georgia Bulldogs whipped his Lamecocks on Sept 7, 2013, after watching his defense get shoved all over the field for the final 8 1/2 minutes of the game he said this:  

"It was pretty obvious that Georgia was the stronger of the two teams out there," Spurrier said. "They kicked our tails up and down the field."

Yeah... tougher.   It's in print.  You can't argue with it.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@POAD2013 How many times is he going to post this and who cares anyway?

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@POAD2013  lol thanks but what does that have to do with this story? or recruiting?

POAD2013
POAD2013

@Dewnsav  and you WONDER why the MUTT players get arrested all the time.

RedandBlackDAWG
RedandBlackDAWG

@NCDawg I am not so sure that this kids hesitancy isn't being fueled more by his coach than any other outside influence to other college. I am sure it probably goes on to some extent at some colleges, but I think the high school coach has more influence on a kids thinking than anything he might read in the papers. The kid has been with this coach for four years, and he might fear going on his own without advice from those he trusts most, could lead to bad consequences. 

Probably the number one consideration of the players and probably quite often is how much media and visibility a school gets for it's players, and that comes from winning.  Let's face it, how many of these kids would make some states where poverty is high, and opportunities for a good paying job are not as likely as some other states. The big stars (4 and 5) all have the Sunday League on their mind and visibility increases a lot when the school has a winning tradition and a few NC's.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

LOL....good one Sport. You actually do believe the B/S you post don't you? There is no crying in football.

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie  

Funny Willie, Ga people don't understand that we want Brother to sign a life time contract. That way, we can always count on Ga.....,  to be Ga.  

Woof Woof

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@NCDawg @Tougher and nasty  

Hey Disney Dog, Brother Richt doesn't have enough class to admit some other team

kicked GA;s butt. Spurrier is man enough to give credit to the other side.

You wouldn't understand about manly things. 

Can you get me a discount for Disney tickets?

POAD2013
POAD2013

@gtcaryd BITE ME..... have you seen many places where people Drinking are NOT Smoking? How will they Police the No Smoking at the frat houses? Will the BOXES at the games be Smoke Free as well? No Alcohol Allow In the Stadium is a LIE. If you are RICH and pay the BIG MONEY for a Box you can Smoke and Drink all you want.


You make a LAW then EVERYBODY HAS TO LIVE BY THAT LAW.

HotDawg
HotDawg

Dew...just ignore poad....if it's night, he'll say it's day. If it's day, he'll say it's night.

An annoying contrarian.

He argues about EVERYTHING.

Probably the kid that always got beat up growing up. And still doesn't shutup today.

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

@POAD2013 @Dewnsav  In addition, I guess your team sucks SO bad, you've morphed into a Bama fan/jocksniffer...maybe one will hop on here and defend you...go dogs

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

@POAD2013 @Dewnsav  my point, jackazz, is EVERYBODY  recruits the same...the WONDER is you have nothing better going on in your life than to troll blogs and slam teenage football players...sad...go dogs

NCDawg
NCDawg

@RedandBlackDAWG @NCDawgwinning is always the best sales tool in college recruiting, no doubt.  But you can also sell a kid on his part in helping that happen as well.  I think some of what he is referring to is via twitter as other social media as well.  Yeah, his coach may have a strong bias as well.  The game is far from over.  We'll see what happens.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie WetWussy, the pitiful thing is that you  believe your delusions.  You are the one living in a fantasy world.  If Trey Matthews had gone to Bama, he would still be the same person as would any recruit that chose Bama over Georgia.  Does Saban keep them under lock and key in Tuscaloosa?  I seriously doubt it.  So if they are the same person what stops them from committing these actions.  Fear?  Again, is having Nick Saban mad at you worse than knowing that if you are caught that you are mostly likely going to be stripped of your scholarship and booted out of school?  If you believe that then you are in serious trouble sir.  

Your problem is that you don't want to see the obvious.  Go find somebody in the midwest with no skin in this game and present that scenario to them.  Then ask what the difference is.  They will tell you that some schools cover it up.  Including some of their beloved Big Ten and Big !2 teams.  And you know what?  It is accepted as fact and they just ignore it as well.


Can you honestly tell me that an inner city Detroit kid is going to stop smoking pot just because he plays for Urban Meyer at OSU?  If you cannot see the absolute asininity of that then you are totally hopeless.


It's called logic, WetWussy. 

HotDawg
HotDawg

I saw lots of bamards crying after auburn and OK games. Cameras were all on em as they way wailing tears. Just like babies.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@HotDawg the dude is a sociopath, plain and simple.  He hates the University of Georgia so badly that he will say anything, no matter how ridiculous, just to say it.  His hatred has twisted his mind.  The evidence is everywhere on these blogs.  No sane person would do what he does.  His behavior is a textbook case.  

I pretty much write off most everything he posts except when he starts his cowardly bashing of players and coaches that aren't here to defend themselves.  When I see it, I have to respond.  I am pretty sure I miss a good portion of it anyway.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@HotDawg It depends on the definition you use for negative recruiting.  If you are talking about talking down another team and telling lies about their coaching staff then I would say that eliminates Georgia.  But if the definition includes pointing out roster depth, a history of instability in the coaching staff, a frank assessment of how a player would not be utilized properly in XX system... then yeah, our coaches have probably said that.  Some people would say that is negative recruiting.

HotDawg
HotDawg

True... not everybody negatively recruits. UGA does not.

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

@POAD2013 @Dewnsav  johnny, you're telling me there is a team who is squeaky clean when it comes to recruiting ?? I understand it seems your team is clean because the are so bad, (I know, I know, academics)...you and delusionaldog, the troll formerly known as buckeye, need to compare notes...over and out, continuing recovery from St. Patty's Day...Erin Go Bragh, and go dogs

POAD2013
POAD2013

@Dewnsav not true... everybody doesn't get dirty in recruiting.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie District Attorney?  no not quite...


If I am a D/A as you put it then what does that make you?  You are the one that is intimidated intellectually fool.  You can't deny it... the posts are there for everyone to see.  LMFAO!

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Wait...he did after he won the game....and then the NC...then again you wouldn't know about a NC...would you

HotDawg
HotDawg

Even remember McCarron crying on sideline in a game on national tv. How embarrassing, huh SPORT?

POAD2013
POAD2013

@HotDawg  There were more dogs crying after the Vandy and Auburn games.