Posted: 11:52 pm Tuesday, April 29th, 2014

Georgia Tech’s Paul Johnson on negative recruiting 

By Michael Carvell

Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson (AP)

Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson (AP)

How much “negative recruiting” does Georgia Tech have to deal with on the recruiting trail?

“I don’t think there’s a whole lot of it,” Yellow Jackets coach Paul Johnson told the AJC.

Really?

Say what?

“Well, if there is, there’s not any more than there’s ever been,” Johnson said,

“I think most people try to sell their own program but there’s always going to be some aspect of negative recruiting. I think for the most part, guys try to sell their program.

“I think this is a really heavily-recruited area. Everybody is now in Atlanta and Georgia, and for good reason – there are a lot of good players.”

Georgia Tech has three commitments for its 2015 football recruiting class.

Read this article for more background on “negative recruiting,” especially the comments by James Franklin.

35 comments
MikeBanning
MikeBanning

#6

MSTU  -  49

GT      -    28

Game was played at BDS@HGF

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

#7

GT is 1-13 vs. UGA in the CMR Era and CPJ is 1-5 vs. UGA and has lost 5 in a row vs. UGA.

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

#8

Since 2010 GT under CPJ is 1- 15 vs. the Big-4 (VT, Miami, Clemson, UGA) and 1-3 in Bowl Games.

That adds up to 2-18 record over the last 4 years vs. the "most talented" teams on our schedule, a PALTRY .100 winning percentage.

Take away the lower level cupcakes and CPJ/GT FB is a below .500 program over the last 4 years.



MikeBanning
MikeBanning

#9 

During the CPJ Era GT FB has averaged about 14 passes per game, making GT FB a "career dead end" for pass-blocking OLs, TEs, QBs, and WRs,  trying to maximize their value for  NFL Scouts.

Also,  RBs from GT are not highly regarded by NFL scouts because  they don't get a lot of chances to pass-block or catch screen passes and run other routes in the pass game.

Also,  our defenders don't get as may reps vs. traditional offenses like players at other schools do, so the gimmicky offense also hurt our defense also.

RambleOn84
RambleOn84

I'm sure certain people were just hoping that Johnson would whine about this.


But true to his character, and opposite from many of his detractors claim, Johnson takes responsibility rather than blaming others.

SupersizeThatOrder-mutt
SupersizeThatOrder-mutt

Wally Butts was a master at negative recruiting against Tech, whom he obviously hated and feared.  He is noted for having left calculus books in the homes of recruits with a note inside saying something to the effect, "do you really want to have to take this course?"


Now the negative recruiting is directed mostly toward defensive players, asking them if they want to be cut block every day in practice.  Of course, they never mention the fact that the defense seldom plays against the first string offense which does cut block; they practice against scout squads emulating the offense of upcoming opponents.  Some fall for this tactic; some don't

GTQBdefender
GTQBdefender

I hope this is not considered a knock at GT but we are often "2nd chance U" in both football and basketball. 

One reason I have some hope - but not a lot - for next year's football team is the number of recruits we now have who went to other football programs and wound up at Tech for numerous reasons.

Golden proved to be a gamer for basketball as well and now we have a transfer who has three years left instead of just one.

I would prefer to be Wide Receiver U - with past stars Megatron and Thomas - but the TO ended any such sales pitch.

Caius
Caius

Negative recruiting is an admission of an inferiority complex, whether real or imagined.


And the same thought applies to those who post on this and other blogs.  If the best thing you can say about your program is the trash the opponent's program, you got a real problem.


odellgtpt
odellgtpt

I am not sure if it's my imagination , but I think Mr. Carvell is posting a few more articles about Tech lately. I never expect it to be equal to UGA because of school size, fan base, recent success, etc. , but a few more words about a hometown team is not a bad thing. Thanks , Michael.

JacketMan
JacketMan

A school can always make a point about what another school CAN'T do by accentuating what your school CAN and to tell the recruit how important what you're offering is, and to ask the other programs if they can offer it, as well. This way, you aren't directly saying anything negative about any other specific program; it's only positives about yourself, and it looks like you're the one taking the "high road" if the other guys are slinging mud.

It's also always wise to be prepared to acknowledge any potential areas that other schools might use for negative recruiting purposes, and address them proactively with humor; don't shy away. If it looks like you get defensive about anything negative being said about you, it could be perceived as being true by recruits.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

Just tell them our entire 2008 class all have a degree from GT. That is quite impressive.

FireSomebody
FireSomebody

Resorting to negative recruiting against Tech is akin to admitting your program isn't very good either.  Plus, other than referencing the limited scope in majors, there isn't much bad you can say or fabricate about the school, itself.  Tech is what it is.  I doubt any kid seriously considering going to school there is going to be influenced all that much by negative recruiting against it.

ToddE
ToddE

If a coach tells a kid, "hey, if you come here you'll get a shot to play at your fav position as a freshman.  But if you pick Alabama, you'll have to sit behind All-American XYZ.."


Is that negative recruiting?  Or is that simply pointing out facts?

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

When Mike Leach takes over in 2016 then schools will start to negative recruit vs Jackets. GTBobby...tell me where I am wrong.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

Paul doesn't care to throw anybody under the bus. That's our guy, Mr. Personality!

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

#10

We play in the crappy, boring ACC.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

@SupersizeThatOrder-mutt  

"...they never mention the fact that the defense seldom plays against the first string offense which does cut block; they practice against scout squads emulating the offense of upcoming opponents.

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And don't you suppose the scout team's inability to accurately simulate the speed and efficiency of a good (Clemson, UGA) and even not so good (BYU, Miami) offense is a large part of why our D gets lit up like a Christmas tree against any offense remotely competent in the forward pass?  

Do you think 4 years of practicing against a scout squad of intramural kids running a traditional offense is a good way to get a defensive player ready for the NFL?

Just sayin....

GTQBdefender
GTQBdefender

@SupersizeThatOrder-mutt  

This is meant as a joke but maybe we should tell Bama recruits they are going to end up here anyway after getting sick of bench-sitting so make us your first choice.

Caius
Caius

@ToddE It is negative recruiting by definition.


AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birmingham__Jacket @SupersizeThatOrder-mutt  BYU was ranked 16th, ahead of uga,  in FBS in Total offense.  Miami was 45th, and would have been much higher had Duke Johnson not been injured.  


As for the scout team, the same argument holds true everywhere.  There's a better chance of our scout teamer's reasonably running a "traditional" offense than a normal offense running the option.  It's a moot point either way.


At least try and use facts, though.

juvenal
juvenal

tho' "Tech"nically 5 are graduating somewhere else.......

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@gtcaryd

What team lit up GT like a Christmas tree?  The same team that lit up UGA.and Ohio State

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@Birmingham__Jacket @AugustaJacket @SupersizeThatOrder-mutt  


"Why then for the decline in defense since Johnson took over? "

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Would have to do more research, but last year alone, we played 7 teams with top 50 offenses.  3 were top 25.  As for decline. last years D wasn't in decline.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@Birmingham__Jacket Couldn't it be any number of things?  The teams we play are not constant, the quality of offenses are not constant, etc.   If you're asserting it as true, the burden is on you to show that the offense we run is what is damaging the defense.


Note: I am curious how we stuffed VT, Pitt, Duke, UNC, etc. with their spread or pro-set offenses if what you're positing is true.

juvenal
juvenal

starters don't play on the scout teams-football factories have a better grade of non-starters-the problem with our scout teams being to match the speed of the starters, not the systems, which are copied by the scout teams in any event...........of all the ignorant redundancy seen on this subject, the depth of the ignorance at least makes it irritating, and therefore not so boring........B_J, taking my advice yet to avoid marriage & rent spouse services piece-work, so to speak?

juvenal
juvenal

tie would be ok..knew you were in trouble when Timmy said you were favored..........Bayern won against tiki-taka, then lost playing with it..fortunately, in world football, coaches accountable season by season, maybe Guardiola could "Pep" up Man-U......

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@juvenal

Congrats (on the Gunners) and commiserations (on Die Roten).

We have City this weekend with half our team out and a win will help the RS.  yuck