Posted: 11:43 pm Tuesday, April 29th, 2014

Top 5 ‘negative recruiting’ pitches used against Georgia Tech 

By Michael Carvell

Like every other college, Georgia Tech and UGA get attacked with “negative recruiting” when they are competing against other schools for top prospects.

Competing schools have been known to say anything (even it’s totally untrue) in an attempt to gain favor with a recruit. Negative recruiting is the dirty side of college football recruiting that no one wants to talk about.

Here are five ideas that other colleges often try to plant in heads of recruits who are considering Georgia Tech:

  1. School is too hard there. You’ll never be able to play football and get a degree from there (It was reported today that Georgia Tech graduated its entire 2008 signing class)
  2. Georgia Tech is located in downtown Atlanta, which is a dangerous place (It’s a big city with a big population, but crime has dropped by 33 percent since 2002, according to one report)
  3. They run a high-school offense (even though Paul Johnson’s offenses often finish in the top 10 in the nation in total yardage).
  4. You’ll never be able to win a national championship in football if you play in the ACC (FSU won this past year)
  5. There are no women there (Atlanta rates as one of the nation’s top cities for young singles, and was ranked by one website as the best city to find a date)

Note: We’ll list our Top 5 for UGA next week

69 comments
patriotdog
patriotdog

I won't mention names, since calling out someone else's teenager for not being smart is not my bag,

but I can think of several players at Tech over the years who are less than 'gifted' mentally. A qb who threw the ball away on fourth down, for instance.

charlestonian77
charlestonian77

hey dwags answer me this,.,  did donald sterling really get a phd  from uga?  as some suggest?


Rick_James
Rick_James

@POAD2014

"WTF? did you read what you typed before you sent it? TUFF academics are considered a negative when you look at how bad the Government schools in Georgia SUCK and are ranked # 45 or higher in the US. Real COLLEGE classes at The Institute hurt most every coach at The Institute when it comes to recruiting. Parents are part of the problem because they see their BALLER as their LOTTO Ticket and not much more."

Just a word to let you know that when you repond or post on these blogs you validate the thoughts of those who think you should be institutionlized..

Adamsran
Adamsran

It's a SLOW day at the office I see...

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

6. You will have johnnymknight, delusional dog, (buckeye) and GTBob as fans...go dogs

Rick_James
Rick_James

How can saying academics are tough at Tech be called negative recruting when some Tech supporters say tough academics handcuff Paul Johnson when it comes to recruiting?

GTRay
GTRay

@Phillipdj  I mostly agree with you.  There are some areas of Atlanta where I wouldn't feel safe at night.  However, I live in downtown Atlanta (and I mean downtown -- within walking distance of Underground) and seldom have any concerns about my safety.  By the same token, there are some areas in Athens where I wouldn't feel safe after dark.  I think the same is true of most cities.


It seems that one thing working against Tech is that there is much more competition than years ago for the recruits who are both athletically and academically superior -- everyone wants them.  I remember Bobby Dodd speaking at one of our monthly dorm meetings (yes, waaay back) and saying that he wished that the football team could just be pulled from the Tech student body.


But sadly, recruiting has become more and more like politics -- what's the joke: 90% of what politicians say is lies, and the other 10% is damn lies?  Now I don't completely believe that, but it's becoming closer and closer to the truth.  What happened to ethical behavior?

LostGoat
LostGoat

other schools just tell recruits if you go to tech you have to take hard classes like calculus---end of story

MikeS777
MikeS777

I bet UGA deals with more because of how they typically recruit better and have a better shot at some of the higher profile athletes.


A lot of these are pretty stupid, but you really can't argue with point #3.  It's pure fact.  Yes they have good yardage totals, but struggle to score against the better teams on their schedule.  Running up 70 on the Syracuse and Elons of the world pad the stats.

POAD2014
POAD2014

How about the OLD one the MUTTS like to use?

4 free Hotdogs and Cokes?

You know the HAWKS & Chick-fil-A are offering free sandwiches with the purchase of Playoff tickets?


96JB
96JB

Johnson = div 2 mentality. It's true and you Tech guys know it. recruiting is way down. This Dawg would like to see a change there....So you could get BETTER.

58Supersports
58Supersports

Both are very good schools. Education  at UGA rates A and GT =  A+.  Both have very good  Athletic programs.

Both have crime  problems, who don't.  UGA  has the $$$$  and GT has  $$. Everyone has a opinion so it doesn't matter what you say its up to the kid where he wants to go.

I love Coach Richt but UGA is to big, it takes to long to get to classes.

I love GT but wish Coach Johnson would change his offense... at least add a passing attack.

Go Dawgs!  Go Jackets!

Iluvnutella
Iluvnutella

#6 We don't offer free crab legs..............

GEEDUNK
GEEDUNK

Number 6, Paul Johnson is the coach

Phillipdj
Phillipdj

I'm a UGA fan - I like to put that out there unlike some of my fellow fans who act like morons and troll .

GT has won a national championship more recently than we have.

While parts of dt Atl are dangerous (my wife and I won't walk around after 10), Atl is a great center of culture and diversity, particularly for the black athletes who can engage in their history and get opportunities and great networking outside of their football careers.

Techs Defense plays a modified NFL scheme so there's no reason a solid middle LB or Defensive Tackle can't thrive and get noticed easily by the league.

The negative that I see is the offense. I'm not saying anything new here, but the cut blocking Wing T style Line isn't a legit training ground for kids with NFL talent. You won't see a Paul Johnson qb in the nfl and a WR or TE only makes it in spite of CPJ.

I'm interested to see the Uga piece that follows. I'm guessing the top 5 will include offseason arrests, never winning a mnc and maybe playing time.

AntoineFord
AntoineFord

You won't see anymore big-money teams run the triple option because, even when dominant, it is too boring for most fans to support.  

whatyagotloran

AntoineFord
AntoineFord

Another common remark is that Tech won't take any lineman over 220 pounds.

POAD2014
POAD2014

MC...(even it’s totally untrue)...even IF ITS totally untrue. no possessive for It is and missing the IF.

Just trying to help...LOL

Realisticfan
Realisticfan

@charlestonian77  You mean because he is so successful and rich?  That is a good indicator. But the fact he is a racist kinda suggests he didn't  go to Ga where no one cares what your skin color is?

charlestonian77
charlestonian77

@Rick_James @POAD2014sorry  rick but that  just does not fly.  the fact that  they are even looking at gt tells me that academics are important,.

last time i looked we graduated all of our 2008 class,  look for that to be the norm under cpj.


POAD2014
POAD2014

@Dewnsav  DBaginSAV look at your own fans before you throw those rocks in your glass house.

GTRay
GTRay

@Rick_James  That's a false argument.  Yes, it's true that not everone can cut it academically at Tech.  And without a doubt that shrinks the potential pool from which Tech can draw.  However, it's a totally different thing to tell a recruit that he/she can't cut it at Tech when we're also recruiting that person -- NO SCHOOL should recruit someone unless the school determines that the he/she should be able to handle the coursework and other responsibilities at that school.  It's simple ethics.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@Rick_James  WTF? did you read what you typed before you sent it? TUFF academics are considered a negative when you look at how bad the Government schools in Georgia SUCK and are ranked # 45 or higher in the US. Real COLLEGE classes at The Institute hurt most every coach at The Institute when it comes to recruiting. Parents are part of the problem because they see their BALLER as their LOTTO Ticket and not much more.

GGee
GGee

Chik fila MEALS not just the sandwich

MikeS777
MikeS777

@96JB  I dont know that he has a Div 2 mentality.  The system he runs just isn't going to attract the same level of offensive talent he inherited from Chan Gailey.  Dwyer and Nesbitt both said even though they decided not to leave when Johnson came in, he would never have been able to recruit them out of high school for the option.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@96JB  Recruiting rankings since 2002:  63, 50, 79, 62, 57, 18, 49, 49, 43, 41, 57, 85, 47.


Average for recruiting classes prior to CPJ = 55  Average under CPJ = 53  If you dismiss the statistical outliers, (highest and lowest), CCG averaged 58 and CPJ has averaged 49.


Recruiting at GT is slightly better under CPJ than under his predecessor.  

POAD2014
POAD2014

@96JB  when is the last time TECH lost to Vandy or Auburn?

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@POAD2014  It should be (even if it's totally untrue)


While he's missing the if, "it's" is a contraction of it is, not a possessive.

charlestonian77
charlestonian77

@POAD2014 @Dewnsav  when i think of uga fans vs gt fans its kinda like comparing diamonds to "lumps"  of coal.

need i say any more?  

"70 tons of trash.... there was urination ... there was defecation "

anybody think that pres adams really meant dedication not  defication? nahhhhh.

stay classy you hairy dwags you


inoto20
inoto20

@AugustaJacket @96JB 

But cpj can't recruit big time playmakers on offense or defense like coaches before him. You'll never see a pj recruit taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft. Maybe the 3rd every once in a while. Years past, gt occasionally had 1-2 players taken in the first two rounds. Those days are gone until a change happens.

Terry1961
Terry1961


POAD2014, Can't say, but Tech lost to Middle Tennessee 28–49 in 2012, and came within a field goal of going to overtime with Gardner-Webb in 2008.  Auburn also still leads the series against Tech 41-47-4.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@96JB  Doesn't MATTER TECH beat those SEC SEC SEC teams since 1990. Can the MUTTS say that?

PoliticalOutsider
PoliticalOutsider

POAD

When is the last time Tech played Auburn or Vandy? Looks like 9 years ago you beat Auburn. During that same time, UGA beat Auburn 6 of 9 times, and the 3 losses were by a total of 22 points. Two of those loss years, AU played for the MNC. And it looks like 11 years since you played Vandy where you DOMINATE 18-14-3, winning in 2003 in OT.

Instead of flapping that trap, maybe you need to get ready for a powerful opener against Wofford, then Tulane and Ga Southern! Whew! You and the other 866 fans at the game have a big time, and enjoy the Star Wars reruns.

MikeS777
MikeS777

@POAD2014 @96JB  When is the last time Tech played Vandy or Auburn?  They played Auburn last when Chan Gailey was still coaching and played Vandy when they were still an SEC doormat.

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

and just who are you ?? if you want class, look no further than your fellow fan POAD, who I was referring to...read his posts..,I certainly don't lump entire fan bases into one based on the actions of a few...your arrogance is expected...like your team, you're a loser...go dogs

POAD2014
POAD2014

@Dewnsav what did I say NEGATIVE or UNTRUE yesterday on Chip's 10@ 10 about any of your TEAMS?

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

@POAD2014 @Dewnsav  no, you live on UGA stories arguing anything positive on UGA...and whip out the academics card for for your team's shortcomings...I've stated before, drop down a classification and become competitive, figure out how to compete with the football factories, (UGA and company)or quit bitching...you're the smartest guy on here, figure it out...go dogs

POAD2014
POAD2014

@Dewnsav I don't LIE or hide behind Delusions of Grandeur like you Kool-Aid drinkers.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@inoto20 @AugustaJacket @96JB  "You'll never see a pj recruit taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft."

_____________________________________________________


Stephen Hill say to stay tuned, Attaochu might join him as a second round pick this year.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@inoto20

"You'll never see a pj recruit taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft."

Someone needs to tell Stephen Hill that.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@PoliticalOutsider  don't say STAR WARS because that NERD at UGa Chris Conley is a NERD STAR WARS FAN that made a movie....just check your MUTT BLOG.