Posted: 6:43 am Sunday, May 25th, 2014

Opinion: Blame the NCAA for unfair restrictions on transfers 

By Michael Carvell

Blame the NCAA for allowing the unfair restrictions that member institutions are allowed to put on transfer players.

This is a dark side and ugly side of college athletics – and one that gets mostly overlooked by the media and public.

Every spring, there are a handful of football or basketball players who want to transfer to another FBS institution for various reasons, including coaching changes or simply being unhappy.

Every spring, most of these kids get hosed because their former schools have control over their future destinations.

If you’re a college coach and you truly want what’s best for your player, why would you put any transfer restriction on a player if things didn’t work out? And this point almost always gets missed: The players are already penalized if they transfer to another FBS school by having to sit out one season of competition. Why add to the misery with restrictions?

It’s totally unfair to the players: Kids get transfer restrictions, while millionaire coaches change jobs freely.

This is one reason why NCAA athletes want a union, and I don’t blame them.

This issue was recently brought into the local spotlight when Georgia Tech’s best basketball player, Robert Carter, surprisingly announced that he was transferring from the Yellow Jackets.

You know the rest of the story: UGA requested permission to try to recruit Carter, and it was denied by Georgia Tech.

UGA athletics director Greg McGarity told the AJC’s Chip Towers he was “very disappointed,” pointing out that the Bulldogs don’t put any restrictions on outgoing transfers and claiming they have the player’s best interests at heart (while also citing the case of a former UGA signee who switched to Georgia Tech with restrictions lifted).

Meanwhile, Georgia Tech athletics director Mike Bobinski defended his stance of placing restrictions on Carter from transferring to its main rival (UGA) and other ACC schools. Bobinski told the AJC’s Ken Sugiura, “that’s a pretty standard industry-wide practice.”

The Georgia Tech AD is exactly right.

And the standard industry-wide practice, permitted by the NCAA, is wrong.

It’s a common practice that is vindictive, unjustified, spiteful, hypocritical, and flat-out mean. And it gets mostly overlooked year after year after year.

This issue is much bigger than some gentleman-like war of words between rival athletic directors (And Robert Carter is a moot point because he later said he wasn’t interested in transferring to UGA).

A much better example of ridiculous restrictions is the freshman basketball player from Kansas State who listed 94 schools she was interested in transferring to – and Kansas State denied all 94.

Why do outrageous things like this happen? Because the colleges are allowed to behave like this with restrictions. The coaches use them mostly for selfish and self-serving reasons, such as a form of punishment against players who they feel like “betrayed” the program by leaving. Or the coach simply fears looking bad if a former player comes back with another team and beats him.

But let’s not forget that the same coach could betray his program by taking a job at a rival school – with no restrictions. And the coach could also come back and make his former school look bad by beating it, too.

It’s no surprise that this issue is a one-way street on the NCAA’s road map.

Again, the main question is this: If you’re a college coach and truly want what’s best for your player, why use any restrictions?

Can anybody give me one good reason? Please post below.

35 comments
decatur_g
decatur_g

Even though it would bloat the NCAA Bylaws even more, I think including the rationale behind some of the rules would provide more illumination on whether the rule should be repealed in the current climate of the NCAA or if it is still viable.


One can surmise that a reasonable reason this rule is in place is not for vengeance, but to protect against competitive disadvantage if key player(s) had free will to transfer from one place to another, esp. a competitor. 

I would have to think that the NCAA rules, as stifling and restrictive as they appear, were written in an attempt to either to prevent a likely scenario that compromised competitive fairness or in response to an event that compromised the competitive fairness.


At some point, though, following the NCAA rules becomes as laborious and challenging as trying to live by the Law of Moses in Leviticus.

JM64
JM64

I have no problems restricting players from teams who are on future schedules.  It is logical that coaches don't want their play books in the hands of their opponents.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

And there goes WnE spamming posts again.  Keep spamming, I'll keep reposting.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

Looks like WnE is spamming JacketMan's posts as well.  What a total tool of a troll....

BTW, It's not like noone notices that my posts disappear when you are on.  Keep spamming, I'll keep putting them up, loser.

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

WnE,   I wonder, why don't you ever blog on the Swarm or From the Rumble Seat?  There are more users there for you to get your message out....

Funny, I never see you at either blog.  Maybe they have stricter standards than the AJC?  Hmmm?

How many sites have you been banned from?

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

"Not necessarily true.

I suspect that  KenS "taught" or instructed those on his blogs to repeatedly flag a comment as spam and then that comment gets automatically deleted by the new software format that is used.

Many GT fans complained about my postings that were within the AJC guidelines and wanted KenS to delete them, and when KenS told them they were not in violation, then all of sudden AugustaJacket had some sort of "inside knowledge" that flagging comments as spam would lead to them getting deleted.

How and where AugustaJacket knew to repeatedly spam comments is beyond me, but somehow he knew from some "inside source" that spamming posts would lead to them getting automatically deleted.

Either way, all of the spamming of comments goes back to AugustaJacket and it originated on KenS's blogs.

That's the honest truth."

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Let's deconstruct this....

First, that's a big accusation of Ken S.  Are you sure you want to go there?  Impugning the integrity of a reporter for the AJC?  Oh wait, you don't have any problem with lying about other people....  What was I thinking?

Many GT fans complained about your constant attacking of GT's student athletes.  As a matter of fact, that's the primary reason you have been banned 3 times now.  Your derogatory nicknames and defamation are what keep getting you in trouble.

As for spamming posts, it's not me who is doing it.  There have been at least 4 posters on here who have straight up told you they were spamming your posts.  If you remember, I was one of the few who asked them to stop.  I actually said I disagreed with spamming posts on this blog entry before YOUspammed it.

Here's the issue, and it's one of your making:  You have managed to anger every user on these boards.  Since they don't like you, they hit spam when they see you post, knowing someone else will as well.  Your posts get deleted and then you get mad.  So, you delete mine, JacketMan's and the other posters who constantly prove you wrong.  

Now THAT'S "the honest truth."  Because you wouldn't know truth if slapped you squarely between your lying eyes.

SECFactFinder
SECFactFinder

So many of the NCAA rules are outdated.

Once the big 50 to 75 schools are separated into a new level or division we may see a new paradigm of thinking in college sports.  Transfers have always been a sticking point and if coaches and administrations change while a student athlete is a freshman or sophomore I see no problem with free transfers to any school.

The issue some have is an athlete gets into trouble in school academically or team rule wise and they transfer to get away from discipline and consequences of their actions. 

How does the problem get a clearer definition?

The schools in each division ( not conference) designate a committee who meet once a month to hear transfers, administer the same rules for drug compliance equally, academic issues, coaching issues, investigative issues of rule violations and so on.  Every school in the division has a representative and they should be excused from taking part of any issue regarding their school or their players. 


At some point, a czar for each sport should be appointed who heads those committees and the levels have to separated out to keep the smaller schools from dictating policy over the schools who generate 80 plus percent of the money.


Happy Memorial Day and Happy Summer Greetings to you all and be safe out there!

RamblinRed
RamblinRed

I would limit it for the very simple reason that if you didn't put restrictions on it coaches will simply attempt to go through the HS coaches and AAU coaches and try to get kids to transfer every year. That is simple tampering (and basically what happened with Carter who is being steered by Winfred Jordon). it would become even more wild west than it is now. That would be my reason.

I would also require every transfer to sit out a year - no exceptions (not for medical family issues - heck if that is an issue that shoud be a bigger issue for them than playing immediately - ie. Golden should have had to sit out this year). I also would not greant immediate eligibility to grad transfers. They should have to sit a year and then have 1 yr to play. It would force schools to decide if the players is good enough to guarentee 2 yrs scholarship, and also it would allow the player to get out with his Masters.

it also seems pretty convenient that Dawg man Carvell failed to mention that the player in question at UGA was told by the HC that he wasn't wanted at UGA, wasn't good enough to be a SEC player so he would be willing to help him go anywhere he wanted to. It was hardly through any magnanimous gesture by UGA - they basically wanted the scholly because they didn't think the player was good enough.

DawginCO
DawginCO

How about everybody put on their big boy pants and stop the mewling?  If somebody is scamming the system to get rid of posts then let Mr.Carvell look into it and straighten it out.  That is what a moderator is.


I am sure that there are people that make regular posts about how to fool just about any blog software available.  Running around pointing fingers like 4th graders is just stupid.

777-9311
777-9311

I remember when Tubby Smith left UGA for Kentucky in the same conference. I don't think Kentucky or any other SEC school would let a player do that.

HotDawg
HotDawg

There shouldn't be a restriction as long as they sit out a year.

But, MC, as this might wind up something a union can fight for....don't let them kid you or us..... the #1 reason they want a union is to get paid a lot more than their stipends.

BigCrimson75
BigCrimson75

@ Carvell -- Wow!! An editorial from MC!

I like it. You're finally learning a little about journalism.

........ And you didn't even have to attack Nick Saban.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

So much for the mission of these "educational institutions" - got to protect the cash flow of the entertainment section.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Perhaps the NCAA should make one change and that would be the player(s) can transfer to any college outside their conference. If the current school allows the player to transfer to a school within the conference then the NCAA would allow that as well.  The schools spend thousands of dollars recruiting these kids. Many of the recruits and their families never want that 15 minutes of fame to end after the hats and the table selection day ends. Well it does!

whatyagotloran
whatyagotloran

KSU should be publicy scolded. Donald Sterling was basically lynch mobbed by the public for his idiotic statements. Make every university explain each scool that they denied. What possible reason could be made? Next time someone complains about Northwestern and their fight against the NCAA, they should remember instances like this of absolute power.

Quackmeyer
Quackmeyer

No MC, I can't think of one.  Bobinsky didn't come off too well in his remarks.

1942MNC
1942MNC

Right now I am very proud of UGA's policy in looking our for the best interest of the kids.  I even remember CMR actively helping kids get into the school of their choice.  Other programs can throw all of the snide remarks at UGA that they want but deep down they know that the athletics department in Athens is top notch in all respects.

GATA

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket "A person like me that loves to prove people like you wrong gets no satisfaction out of deleting or spamming posts."

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You must suffer from continual disappointment since you never prove anyone wrong but yourself....

AugustaJacket
AugustaJacket

@MikeBanning @AugustaJacket "I have told you many times that your cronies are deleting BOTH of our posts and then you fall for the deception like the lackey that you are and publicly blame me out in the open on the blogs, this accomplishes 2 tasks, it removes my posts and in the feeble minds of your cronies it hurts my credibility."

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The problem with your lie here is that it makes no sense.  If that were true, they would delete all the posts at once.  However, what happens is this.  I post.  You respond.  Your posts get deleted.  I can see where someone responding to me was spammed.  An hour or two later, you post again and all of a sudden my posts are deleted.



You can keep lying, if you want to, after all, what was it you said?  



"Keep posting lies maybe you'll eventually believe them."



#keeptrolling

GTBob
GTBob

@SECFactFinder How do you plan on paying for all of that oversight. One of the biggest issues with the NCAA is that they don't have nearly enough manpower to actually enforce everything they are pretending to enforce.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@GTBob 

"special student athlete status".  What the heck is that?


KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

No way can you transfer out of conference without having to sit out a year. If that were the case your entire 2nd string will transfer. You transfer then your sit out...period.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

He may have wanted to throw in the Alvin Kamara deal but when the player brings it all on himself it's hard to down the coach...even Nick.

RxDawg
RxDawg

@JacketMan I agree, except about the part of coaching changes. There are coaching changes all the time, and for very different reasons.   I think that just opens up too many holes.   Plus, what if a coach just suddenly leaves a program (happens all the time), then any and all they're players could just bolt too?   That could devestate a program in a very short time span.   Everyone always runs from their responsibilites these days.   Nothing wrong with being made to stick out, especially in a "training for the world" type of atmosphere such as college.

tomkat1111
tomkat1111

@JacketMan So you think coilleges should restrict where a player can transfer to but no such restrictions apply to coaches that make millions ?When a player tells a school that he doesn't want to play for them anymore. he should be free to go to any school he chooses.If a coach wishes to go to another team, he is free to do so. No one should be enslaved by an institution.

DawginCO
DawginCO

@PaulinNH  almost right.  It's the advertizing department.  That is the function that collegiate athletics fills.  They are an advertizement.  And essentially the players are commercial actors.

Gandolph
Gandolph

@1942MNC I agree.  But, I also think that the rules should be universal and apply to all institutions and all student athletes.  Instances such as Tech's denial to Carter (even though he had no interest in UGA) and in particular the KSU situation only makes the institution/administration look small an mean spirited (you listening, Bobinski?)  And, no, I am not voting on the side of chaos either.  Just some sensible rules that can apply to all institutions and all athletes, please.

SECFactFinder
SECFactFinder

@GTBob @SECFactFinder 


GT Bob,


The top schools have to first separate themselves from the smaller schools.  The current situation is non compliance because the number of schools in the top tier are living by rules that are not enforceable.  The money generated by the top 50 to 75 schools allows the payment of athletes and creating new rules and rules enforcement. 

The future of the NCAA is dependent on these top level schools making themselves more accountable. 

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@DawgNole @Buzzmaster That's correct. The only people who can delete a post are (1) one of several AJC staffers monitoring the blogs or (2) the person who posted the comment

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@DawgNole 

You can delete your own post at any time - even hours after posting.

HotDawg
HotDawg

Gandolph...And a uniform disciplinary drug policy for all schools, also!

DawginCO
DawginCO

@Gandolph @1942MNC  It probably needs to be restricted to being allowed in cases of coaching changes.  If you let a kid transfer at will, it will devolve into a game of musical chairs.  A kid should be able to transfer anywhere and sit out the next full season.  That would slow it down enough to stop the chaos.