Posted: 11:53 pm Tuesday, June 3rd, 2014

Georgia Tech’s Paul Johnson not happy about satellite camps either 

By Michael Carvell

These guys are in agreement on satellite camps (AP/file)

These guys are in agreement on satellite camps (AP/file)

SEC coaches aren’t happy about Georgia State’s satellite football camps.

Neither is Georgia Tech’s coach Paul Johnson.

And Johnson probably has the right to be as opinionated as anybody about the hot topic because Penn State’s James Franklin and Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly will be celebrity guest coaches at prospect camps located only a few miles away from Georgia Tech’s campus.

Johnson gave his perspective (candid as usual) at Tuesday’s “Pigskin Preview” media event in Macon:

“It wouldn’t be my preference, but it’s fair game if they (Georgia State) want to do it,” Johnson said. “I don’t see how it helps them. I know how it helps Notre Dame and Penn State. I don’t know how it helps Georgia State. But if they think it helps them, more power to them.

“We can’t do that (in the ACC). Nobody will be able to … by next year. They’ll (the NCAA) change the rule. They’re skirting the intent of the rule. That’s not what the rule was for. They know it.

“But they (Georgia State) didn’t ask me. I imagine I will talk to him (Miles) if they want to borrow our facility.”

Georgia State coach Trent Miles was also at Tuesday’s event, and later did talk to Johnson in a hallway for a few minutes. The conversation went about as you would expect.

“He (Johnson) really didn’t have much to say,” Miles said. “He understands that we have to do the best things for Georgia State.

Georgia State's Trent Miles (AJC)

Georgia State’s Trent Miles (AJC)

“I’m sure that it’s probably not ideal for them (Georgia Tech) to have a big name come into Atlanta with all the big-name recruits that are around here. He sees my side, and understands I’ve got to do what’s best for Georgia State.”

Miles also approached UGA’s Mark Richt about the topic, and you can read about Richt’s reaction, along with more on the overall topic, by clicking on this article from MyAJC.com.

From Georgia State’s perspective, the satellite camps are a positive for a struggling program coming off a 0-12 record and starving for publicity. The presence of Notre Dame and Penn State will draw top-end recruits who would otherwise be unlikely to visit Georgia State’s campus. (Personally, I think it’s a brilliant idea).

It’s also easy to understand why Johnson and Richt are against the concept. And if Trent Miles coached at UGA and Georgia Tech, he’d probably feel the same way, too.

And would Richt and Johnson be open to doing the same thing if they were Miles’ shoes at Georgia State? My guess is yes

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59 comments
Hunk
Hunk

It doesn't make any difference in Tech's recruiting. When they won the national championship in '90 they did not improve recruiting. What Tech needs are great players that can do well in the classroom period and they are rare.

RED DOG 77
RED DOG 77

I agree with Carvell..............Brilliant idea by coach Miles

Chuck_UGA
Chuck_UGA

Supporting both coaches on this subject. In addition, a kid would have to be nuts to attend Penn State or Notre Dame. Do you know how cold it gets up there in Winter?!

Mr. Negative
Mr. Negative

0-12 does register as a blip on Mr Negatives screen. Since its Ga State, I might bring my hibachi grill and grill an honorary hot dog outside of their campus

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

I'm not sure I see the issue here.   It seems like the smaller schools got creative and found willing big school partners in other parts of the country.   That not only isn't an issue, it seems like it would benefit the kids to have more coaches seeing them and increasing the chances of one thinking he's got what it takes.


I think the big schools need to get creative, too, rather than trying to squash the smaller schools (though that's their right if they can get the rule(s) changed).

bvillebaron
bvillebaron

Oh boo hoo hoo.  What kind of cheese do you want with that whine?

forexbomb
forexbomb

From Georgia State’s perspective, the satellite camps are a positive for a struggling program coming off a 0-12 record and starving for publicity. The presence of Notre Dame and Penn State will draw top-end recruits who would otherwise be unlikely to visit Georgia State’s campus. (Personally, I think it’s a brilliant idea).


Brilliant,,,  Are you kidding.  I have no idea how GSU's program will be impacted in a positive way..  The bottom line, NO top-end recruit will EVER play or want to play for GSU!  Period.  Trent Miles should be coaching at Milton High School.

smokybandit
smokybandit

SEC needs to quit crying about this and change their own rule.  There's an NCAA rule that explicitly allows coaches to work other camps.  There is no loophole.  There is no "skirting the intent" of the rule.  Just whiny SEC coaches.

bobbyross1990
bobbyross1990

@thebucket I didn't see anywhere in this article that made me think Paul Johnson is a coward. He said, , “It wouldn’t be my preference, but it’s fair game if they (Georgia State) want to do it,” . I'm sure St. Richt is crying about it since he recruits the ATL area hard. I'm sure you wan to retract your statement. On second thought, never mind.

DawginCO
DawginCO

The issue here isn't GSU.  It is Penn St and ND using GSU to skirt a rule.  That rule will get modified by this time next year.  If it doesn't then the insane world of recruiting will get even worse.  I am sure that Meyer is grinding his teeth over this as well.

thebucket
thebucket

I'm sure all the GT fans who were calling the SEC coaches cowards for having the same opinion as CPJ will be by today to retract their former statements. On second thought, never mind.

Quackmeyer
Quackmeyer

Good for CTM!  Do what you have to do until the rules change.  He has a tough job and he is fighting anyway he can to get an edge.  Even if the edge is minimal.

Preston2
Preston2

Are you kidding me. Publicity is all GS needs. How about winning a game or two. That would help more than anything. But I do think he put himself in a bad position to get any assistance or compassion from anybody down this way.

LostGoat
LostGoat

why is lowly ga state wasting all that money on a football team?? they have trouble get 3000 people to their games

C-Kirk
C-Kirk

Trent Miles is sure taking a chance of burning the wrong bridges. Coaches that could give him a chance at a Position Coaching opening. He is catering to people who could care less about him. They only want to get a foot into the Atlanta Recruiting market. A lot of very powerful people in Atlanta who may not agree what he is doing is harmless. 

For me I don't care one way or the other but why take a chance.

POAD2014
POAD2014

It doesn't seem to be helping GaState that much IMO. The Rules should be the same for all the schools in the FBS.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@Bulldawg95 He wears a suit many times. That is all you got? You see they are in a GYM in that photo right?

POAD2014
POAD2014

@bvillebaron what kind of low IQ gene pool did you come from? There was no Whining. You need to learn to read.

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@forexbomb No, I'm not kidding. Georgia State's program will be impacted in a positive way because they will get higher-ranked prospects on campus who would never be exposed to the campus otherwise. Some of those kids will see that Georgia State's campus is a lot nicer than they thought it was, and end up going there, either right out of high school or via transfer.

Nate-the-Great
Nate-the-Great

@smokybandit I think the article was about a whiny ACC coach.  Try reading the article.  You know, top to bottom, left to right.  Take Tylenol for any headaches and Midol for any cramps.

thebucket
thebucket

@bobbyross1990 @thebucket  See my comment to JacketMan. Both of you totally missed my point. I wasn't slamming CPJ because he is right, just like the SEC coaches were right last week.

smokybandit
smokybandit

Here's the rule they're "skirting"

13.12.2.3.3 Noninstitutional, Privately Owned Camps/Clinics—Bowl Subdivision Football.
[FBS] In bowl subdivision football, an institution’s coach or noncoaching staff member with responsibilities
specific to football may be employed (either on a salaried or volunteer basis) in any capacity (e.g.,
counselor, guest lecturer, consultant) in a noninstitutional, privately owned camp or clinic at any location,
provided the camp or clinic is operated in accordance with restrictions applicable to an institutional camp
or clinic (e.g., open to any and all entrants, no free or reduced admission to or employment of athletics
award winners). However, employment in such a camp or clinic is limited to two periods of 15 consecutive
days in the months of June and July or any calendar week (Sunday through Saturday) that includes days of
those months (e.g., May 28-June 3). The dates of the two 15-day periods must be on file in the office of the
athletics director. [D]

GTBob
GTBob

@thebucket Nah, CPJ sounds just as bad complaining about it. Nobody is doing anything wrong here. Although I never called SEC coaches cowards. They were just hypocrites for bashing other coaches who attempt to stretch recruiting rules.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@thebucket can you show where GT fans said SEC coaches were cowards? I think all anybody said was what is being done is within the rules but it is a bad rule. I think it was also stated that ND and Penn St have only signed like 8 players from Georgia over the last 5 years.

I would think being scared would apply maybe to Notre Dame because of their Power & Prestige but not much more. Most Southern boys don't know the history of Penn St or Notre Dame since it is in the PAST(like UGa's Glory Years) and they just hear SEC SEC SEC all the time. 

It is an issue of Different Rules for different conferences. All the conferences are competing for the same players to win the same trophy but they don't all compete with the same rules.

JacketMan
JacketMan

Did you even bother to read the dang article? It says that Paul Johnson is saying the EXACT SAME THING that Mark Richt is saying (basically verbatum, and basically the same thing every OTHER SEC AND ACC coach is saying). Any fan of (southern) college football would recognize how GA State is being used as a patsy, just to get into our state, and they are knowingly allowing it to happen, just like a lady of the night; for the money.

As Bugs Bunny famously said; "What a maroon".

DawginCO
DawginCO

@thebucket  LOL.  You know that ain't gonna happen.  I was wondering where the article from Schultzie was at?  The headline of that article should read " Wait! What?!  CPJ doesn't like rules being skirted either!"


Wow.

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@C-Kirk Why would Trent Miles want a chance to be a position coach at UGA/Georgia Tech when he's already a D1 head coach? Seriously? And before you say 0-12, he started off 0-12 at Indiana State before he turned things around there.

And by way, if Georgia State didn't do this, Penn State and Notre Dame would just go to Clark Atlanta, Morehouse, Reinhardt, Shorter etc etc ... it's an NCAA issue not Georgia State issue

Gt79
Gt79

Can't believe that Johnson is running scared of start up GSU, but I guess based on the downward tilt of GTech, and the inivetable upward slant of GSU, he's worried they might eventually meet in the middle.

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@POAD2014 @Bulldawg95 Paul Johnson did wear a suit yesterday. That's a file photo. And that's NOT a gym in the background

JacketMan
JacketMan

Michael, reading your own quote from Paul Johnson, he said "It wouldn't be my preference, but it's fair game". Now I don't know your definition of "whining," but mine doesn't sound anything like that comment.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@MichaelCarvell is it really whining? It is mad that all the rules they DON'T LIKE are not the same for every conference? LOL

Nate-the-Great
Nate-the-Great

So did you write the article about the SEC or Paul Johnson? I agree that it is a great idea but it isn't about the SEC coaches whining it's about CPJ questioning GA States benefit from the camp.

One last thing that I just thought of, You can't spell cheaters without S-E-C. I love the conference but thought that was funny. I'm a huge dawg fan but the SEC will complain about any rule they aren't bending (or just all out breaking) themselves.

smokybandit
smokybandit

Except every coach in the SEC has whined about it.

HighTechJacket99
HighTechJacket99

I went back and read the comments section to Shultzie's article and didn't see where anyone called SEC coaches cowards. Why would that upset you anyway?

thebucket
thebucket

@JacketMan  I agree with you and that was my point. The SEC coaches and CPJ are in agreement on this issue, but last week it was portrayed in this sports section that the SEC coaches were whining or were somehow cowards on this topic.

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

@MichaelCarvell A coach as creative as Miles in coming up with ways to get to see more, better players won't be at Georgia State for long.

C-Kirk
C-Kirk

@MichaelCarvell

I was thinking more about if he washes out as a Head Coach at his current level. His next move would be Division 2 or 3 or a Position Coaching job at Division 1. If it was me I would rather take a Position Coaching job in the SEC hoping to be a top Coordinator eventually  than stay a Head Coach if I had to go to a lower Division.

Then again I don't know anything about Miles or his past successes. But , then again I don't think anyone can succeed as a Division 1 Head Coach unless he was a great Recruiter in his past. Coaching is only a third  of it in my opinion. Recruiting is a third and being organized is a third. Being organized encompasses a lot , from your Coaching Staff to what discipline you will have to S&C workouts , etc. 

lxUn1c0
lxUn1c0

@Gt79 Don't be an idiot. CPJ isn't scared of GSU, he's angry that a second-rate joke of a football program is giving ND and Penn State a golden opportunity to poach Atlanta-area recruits.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@Gt79 Paul Johnson & Tech are not running scared you maroon. The SEC coaches are not running scared either. It is an issue of Different Rules for different conferences. All the conferences are competing for the same players to win the same trophy but they don't all compete with the same rules.

HighTechJacket99
HighTechJacket99

You got one thing right. There's nowhere to go but up from 0-12.

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@JacketMan Oh he most definitely made it clear to Trent Miles in their conversation that he wasn't happy about it

MichaelCarvell
MichaelCarvell moderator

@POAD2014 The SEC and ACC made their own rules. It is permissible under NCAA rules. The SEC and ACC need to quit complaining and change their rules imho

Gt79
Gt79

What worries me the most about GT, is that GSU, KSU and all the rest of the start ups will be going after the same 3 star players, and I think Johnson will have a much smaller pool to draw from. He already has enough problems as it is.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@MichaelCarvell sorry I disagree. I think the NCAA should make the RULES the same for ALL teams competing for the same players and competing to play for the same National Championship. Breaking the law, Team Rules, Drugs, Transfers, admissions, number of Special Admits and any other rule should be EXACTLY the same for every BCS/ Div 1 team. 

GTBob
GTBob

@Gt79 It is going to be a really long time before KSU or GSU are even moderately competitive for most 3 star recruits.

HighTechJacket99
HighTechJacket99

Maybe not the same 3 star players. Also, think about conference prestige and how many players we offer who are swayed by the lure of the SEC. The defending national champions are from the ACC, so I think the ACC or the B1G or the Big 12 would be more attractive than the Sun Belt to a common pool of available recruits. Also, think about crowd size, television exposure, and facilities. Academic rigor is where we may lose some recruits by having a limited curriculum (no football majors).

POAD2014
POAD2014

@GTBob @Gt79 KSU is probably going to be good before GaState. The Kids that are good in the northern half of the state will consider playing at KSU at a lover level winner over a GaState higher level loser.....Look at KSU Baseball. It is getting some good players and stepped up to D-1 and are in a Super their first year.

GTBob
GTBob

@POAD2014 KSU has been good at baseball for a while. Even when I was in high school they had a pretty solid program. Its not shocking they are having a run like they are having. They benefit from getting a lot of quality East Cobb players who were overlooked by bigger programs. Football is going to be more difficult than that, but I would agree that they will probably improve at a faster rate than Ga State. KSU is just better suited for athletics than Ga State is.

POAD2014
POAD2014

@GTBob A few National Championships for sure in other divisions. Always Good but now they are in Div 1.