Posted: 2:14 pm Tuesday, July 1st, 2014

Should age factor into the recruiting rankings? 

By Michael Carvell

Should age factor into the recruiting rankings?

I think so. But they’re not.

I think a grown men who are 19 years old (or even 20) during their senior year of high school have a humungous advantage playing football against kids who are three and four years younger.

Now I’m not talking about whether or not grown men ought to be able to play high school athletics. That’s a different topic for a different day (By the way, under GHSA rules, a senior is eligible to participate as long as he turns 19 after May 1 of his junior year … I mean, wow).

But the blog topic, which created quite a bit of chatter on Twitter is this: Should age factor into the recruiting rankings? They don’t right now (as far as I can tell) with Rivals, Scout, ESPN and 247sports.

I’d love to see a date of birth included in every recruit’s profile and, more importantly, his talent evaluation.

I’m not going to name names, but I can think of several 5-stars in recent years who would’ve been ranked much lower had they been ranked in the class they should’ve been in.

On the other side of the equation, you’ve got guys like Tucker High School defensive tackle Jonathan Ledbetter, who is committed to Alabama. He won’t turn 17 until Sept. 12 of his senior year. Under GHSA rules, if Ledbetter had started school late or been held back a grade or two when he was younger, he would eligible not one but TWO more seasons after this season.

Ledbetter is ranked as a 4-star and the nation’s No. 69 overall prospect in the 2015 rankings. That’s nice but what if he was 2017? Would he be top five in the USA for 2017? Probably.

 

55 comments
Dawg-Gawn
Dawg-Gawn

Possible new UGA coach hired (has not been confirmed)... Sam Petitto from Southern Louisiana University who will assist the newly hired Director of Player Personnel Ronnie Letson... not sure what title Petitto will hold but basically will do some of the same job duties of Director of On-campus Recruiting Daryl Jones...

"BELIEVE" in the G

litterbug
litterbug

stars are just a guess at what one person thinks another will do over the next few years...this is sports and with questions like this , you are taking this rating stuff and yourself way to serious

Bulldawg13ro
Bulldawg13ro

I am 62 years old and this age issue is not new. It was common practice back in the 60' and 70's  to have potentially good athletes held back in the 8th grade. That has been remedy somewhat with rules that only allow you 6 years to complete your last 6 years of schooling so now kids are held back in the 5th grade.

Mandingo
Mandingo

Does it really matter ????  Universities, boosters, fans  and coaches are  going to exploit them as long as they can help them win games and make money.

Jack5150
Jack5150

(By the way, under GHSA rules, a senior is eligible to participate as long as he turns 19 after May 1 of his junior year … I mean, wow)

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And these guys are SMART ENOUGH to get in Institutions of Higher learning? Yea, right. 

GeorgeStein
GeorgeStein

This is a really good article.  Age absolutely should factor into recruiting rankings (and recruiting in general).  It speaks to the relative growth most prospects have left in them and their projectability in the long term.   It is also why we should never scout a stat line.   Instead, look for the tools a player will need at the next level and weigh them against the likelihood that he still has some room for growth left.

Quackmeyer
Quackmeyer

I was a soph. in college at 19!  What the heck.  Maybe these kids were sick for a couple years.  19 yrs old and a Jr in HS.  Give me a break.

Smilesterr
Smilesterr

This is a true trend everywhere in GA.  I have a rising freshman son who is one of the FEW in his class that will not be driving with a learner's permit this fall a Forsyth HS on day one, which is supposed to be a pretty good school system.  I predict a glut of 20 year old males graduating in 4 years at every institution.  Forget the resdhirt, Parents are putting them on their kids before they even start school up here now.  Maybe it has more to do with current child support laws than sports?  Who knows, but it is a trend nevertheless.

BehindEnemyLines
BehindEnemyLines

Not sure what logic would have it play a factor in college recruiting rankings.  I mean, they're going to play on the same level in college, right?  And that's what the rankings are roughly trying to judge, their impact at the collegiate level, right?  So what difference does age make to that?

Dawg^2
Dawg^2

23 should be the oldest a college football player should be eligible.  FSU had a quarterback almost 30!  That's obscene.  College is about education, if you're that old you need to worry about books and not playing a kid's game. 

JamesKeith
JamesKeith

LOL like stars really matter...you media guys really think you make that much difference to a college coach evaluating talent...I don't think so LOL

mgadawg
mgadawg

I think what you don't realize, the commenters, is that parents will hold their kid back a grade.  They will claim it is because of academics, but in all reality they want the kid to have every possible advantage when they start athletics.  I could be wrong, but I think you can do this through middle school if you want. 

I don't think it should mess with their college recruiting rankings.  If anything being older will help because they will be at the prime of their athletic potential while in college.  I think it should, and I think it does, hurt the kid in the draft.  If you have two players that play the same position and are pretty much equal in every aspect, except one is 21 and one is 24, I'm drafting the 21 year old.  He has more possible years he can play for me and he probably hasn't reached his athletic potential yet. 

JacketMan
JacketMan

Michael, I think actual age is a legitimate question because of the physical maturity a person's body goes through during nature's aging process, but there's also the issue of mental maturity to take into consideration, isn't there? I know some 17 year-olds who seem much more mature than these 19 year-olds mentally (so to speak), if you know what I mean, so they may actually may be better prepared for college than these older players.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Not that it matters but I was still 17 when I reported to Livingston University for football in 1968. It makes one hell-0 of a difference. We had 137 that 1st Sunday we ran the mile and 67 for our 1st game.

DawgGoneIt
DawgGoneIt

I don't think you're going to see many (if any) high school seniors who are 19 or 20 years old. Most graduate by the time they're 18. I was 18 when I graduated high school. Is it fair to judge a kid's performance when he's going up against 14-15 year olds? I don't think so but when they get to college it'll be a totally different ballgame. It's grown men out there. 

C-Kirk
C-Kirk

If he had academic problem in High School , no way he will be able to handle College courses so it would not be helpful to a team like Georgia but Auburn . Alabama, Florida State ,  South Carolina and Mississippi could certainly use that information.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@litterbug 


You are precisely correct so when a School claims  "High Ranking" recruiting status it means little more than a popcorn fart in a Tornado!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@Mandingo 


E X P L O I T??????????????????????????


Do you have any idea what the cost and value of a college degree amounts to?????????????

TechTroll13
TechTroll13

@Dawg^s - "College is about education" - Now that's funny considering it comes from a UGA fan.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Dawg^2 

So if a HS student enrolls in the military for 4 years and upon leaving decides they want to go to college and maybe earn a scholly they should be ineligible?

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@mgadawg 


It can be done through Middle School but once a student enters HS he/she/it has 4 years of eligibility!!!!!


I'm not sure they can get a "Hardship" deal if they are out of school due to  extended injuries/illnesses!!!!!!!!

TheAuditor
TheAuditor

So you're 63 and all you're old crusty self has to do is post on recruiting blogs all day...

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@C-Kirk I don't know, seems to me a lot of those Ga recruits can't read, write or speak.

You could probably make a long list by yourself. 

Dawg^2
Dawg^2

@TechTroll13 I looked it up, the average mid-career salary for a GT grad is $102,000.  My UGA education makes me worth at least 15 GT graduates.  I guess it's not what you learn, it's what you do with it!  UGA grads run Atlanta and Georgia (Governor and both U.S. Senators), GT grads, for all their arrogance, haven't achieved much.  CEO of Apple (Auburn grad and engineer), CEO of Google (Stanford grad), CEO of Tesla and SpaceX (Penn grad), Facebook (Harvard dropout), Microsoft (Chicago grad), Amazon (Princeton grad).  All these technology companies and no GT guys, and Apple is run by an Auburn engineer (that must hurt).  It's amazing how little GT has produced in commercialized technology given it graduates more engineers than any school in the U.S.  Now UGA grads, CEO of Aflac, CEO of Gold Kist, Chairman of Georgia-Pacific, Michelle Burns (Board of Walmart, Goldman Sachs & Cisco Systems), Tom Cousins, current winner of Masters, Chairman of Augusta National, UGA 23 Rhodes Scholars - 4 for GT, REM, The B-52's, Kim Basinger, Ryan Seacrest, Hershel Walker, and Crawford Long (Inventor of anesthesia).  It's amazing what a few social skills will do for you.  It must really hurt when you make less than a UGA grad and you know he has a hot wife and had a great time in college, while you were in your dungeon at GT hoping some fat girl would take pity on you!  Just sayin'. 



WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@TechTroll13 I swear there always bragging about their superior academics and high moral standards. Kind of funny isn't it!

Dawg^2
Dawg^2

@PaulinNH @Dawg^2 Yeah, that happens all the time (see never)!  Once you get to a certain age, you need to be concentrating on your education and not a kids game.  Why don't you have him join a fraternity too, so a man in their mid 20s can play beer pong with 18 year olds.  Reminds me of the movie "Old School."

Sports Buff
Sports Buff

@TheAuditor the second "you're"  should be "your" not "you're", "you're" is a conjunction for "you are". So read it as it would be long hand and you will realize you got it wrong.  "so you are 63 and you are old crusty self..."

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@TheAuditor What the hell does make you pencil head ? By the way,

nobody likes auditors. You love to dig up dirt on people.

I hope IRS pays you a lifetime visit. 

C-Kirk
C-Kirk

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Do that anywhere and see what you have except maybe Vanderbilt. I'm singling out those Schools because they are good and that gives them an advantage , at least a little over Georgia because we are on a higher academic standard because of the Jan Kemp embarrassment and to not admit that Georgia loses a few great Recruits because of that higher standard is not being realistic with the facts..  

HighTechJacket99
HighTechJacket99

From Wikipedia:

Many distinguished individuals once called Georgia Tech home, the most notable being Jimmy Carter, former President of the United States and Nobel Peace Prize winner, who briefly attended Georgia Tech in the early 1940s before matriculating at and graduating from the United States Naval Academy.[225] Juan Carlos Varela, a 1985 industrial engineering graduate, was elected president of Panama in May 2014.[226] Another Georgia Tech graduate and Nobel Prize winner, Kary Mullis, received the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1993.[227] A large number of businesspeople (including but not limited to prominent CEOs and directors) began their careers at Georgia Tech.[228][229] Some of the most successful of these are Charles "Garry" Betty (CEO Earthlink),[230] David Dorman (CEO AT&T Corporation),[229] Mike Duke (CEO Wal-Mart),[231] and James D. Robinson III (CEO American Express and later director of The Coca-Cola Company).[232]

Tech graduates have been deeply influential in politics, military service, and activism. Atlanta mayor Ivan Allen, Jr. and former United States Senator Sam Nunn have both made significant changes from within their elected offices.[233][234] Former Georgia Tech president G. Wayne Clough was also a Tech graduate, the first Tech alumnus to serve in that position.[235] Many notable military commanders are alumni; James A. Winnefeld, Jr. who currently serves as the ninth Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Philip M. Breedlove who currently serves as the Commander, U.S. Air Forces in Europe, William L. Ball was the 67th Secretary of the Navy,[236] John M. Brown III is the Commander of the United States Army Pacific Command,[237] and Leonard Wood was Chief of Staff of the Army and a Medal of Honor recipient for helping capture of the Apache chief Geronimo.[238] Wood was also Tech's first football coach and (simultaneously) the team captain, and was instrumental in Tech's first-ever football victory in a game against the University of Georgia.[238] Thomas McGuire was the second-highest scoring American ace during World War II and a Medal of Honor recipient.[239]

Numerous astronauts and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) administrators spent time at Tech; most notably, Retired Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly was the eighth administrator of NASA, and later served as the president of the Georgia Tech Research Institute.[240] John Young walked on the moon as the commander of Apollo 16, first commander of the space shuttle and is the only person to have piloted four different classes of spacecraft.[241] Georgia Tech has its fair share of noteworthy engineers, scientists, and inventors. Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis developed the polymerase chain reaction,[227] Herbert Saffir developed the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale,[242] and W. Jason Morgan made significant contributions to the theory of plate tectonics and geodynamics.[243] In computer science, Krishna Bharat developed Google News,[244] and D. Richard Hipp developed SQLite.[245] Architect Michael Arad designed the World Trade Center Memorial in New York City.[246]

Despite their highly technical backgrounds, Tech graduates are no strangers to the arts or athletic competition. Among them, comedian/actor Jeff Foxworthy of Blue Collar Comedy Tour fame and Randolph Scott both called Tech home.[247][248] Several famous athletes have, as well; about 150 Tech students have gone into the National Football League (NFL),[249] with many others going into the National Basketball Association (NBA) or Major League Baseball (MLB).[250][251] Well-known American football athletes include all-time greats such as Joe Hamilton,[252] Pat Swilling,[253] Billy Shaw,[249] and Joe Guyon,[249] former Tech head football coaches Pepper Rodgers and Bill Fulcher,[249][253] and recent students such as Calvin Johnson and Tashard Choice.[254][255] Some of Tech's recent entrants into the NBA include Chris Bosh, Derrick Favors, Thaddeus Young,[256] Jarrett Jack,[257] and Iman Shumpert. Award-winning baseball stars include Kevin Brown,[251] Mark Teixeira,[258] Nomar Garciaparra,[251] and Jason Varitek.[259] In golf, Tech alumni include the legendary Bobby Jones, who founded The Masters, and David Duval, who was ranked the No. 1 golfer in the world in 1999.[260]

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@Dawg^2 @PaulinNH 


PaulinNH is correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has happened at UGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One guy was  Matt Storm!!!!!!

Sports Buff
Sports Buff

@TheAuditor  I don't normally play grammar police but if you take a swipe at someone you should all your ducks in a row. ;-)

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@WhiskeyBreath @TheAuditor 


In that case I'm thinking you are probably an auditor. However it is extremely unlikely IRS will visit you unless maybe on Food Stamp fraud!!!!!!!

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@C-Kirk What a crock of arrogant crap. Ga is being investigated as we speak for grade fixing by the head

swimming coach. So you got busted back in the 80's, and because of that Kemp issue, you get a lifetime pass?

Facts? You dumb  butt, we have met Crowell. 

 You should be slapped for your continuous 

B.S. 

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@HighTechJacket99 


Just like a rogue Techie to BOAST  that Jimmy(I couldn't find my a$$ with both hands in my hip pockets) Carter briefly attended Bunglebee U.

HighTechJacket99
HighTechJacket99

BYU always has a bunch of older family men playing due to their missionary work.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@WhiskeyBreath @C-Kirk 


WhiskeyBreath(aka  KY JELLY BREATH)   =   Crock  Of Arrogant Crap   =   Grade Fixer   =   Dumb Butt(aka Dumb A$$)   =    Almost committed suicide when I. Crowell signed with CMR rather than Saban

HighTechJacket99
HighTechJacket99

Read the rest of mu post 'puss. Notice how it doesn't mention any other schools.